Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 07:34:49 07/03/01
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On July 03, 2001 at 08:15:08, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 03, 2001 at 08:10:08, Mark Young wrote: > >>On July 03, 2001 at 07:47:57, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On July 03, 2001 at 07:01:35, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>> >>>>On July 03, 2001 at 05:47:22, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 04:37:17, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 03:33:58, Adolfo Bormida wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>According the games played, I have *only* the suspect that CT 14 maybe is more >>>>>>>strong against humans than against computer. Gambit Tiger 2 is ahead in the >>>>>>>Sweden List, but against hummans is better than Tiger?? >>>>>>>It is possible?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We can remember that Rebel Century is sure better against humans. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not know it. >>>>>>We know nothing about the question which program is best against humans at >>>>>>tournament time control thanks to Fide that does not let computers to be rated. >>>>>> >>>>>>I suspect that Fide may be one of the reasons of the good result of programs >>>>>>against humans(Humans are more motivated to win other humans and not to win >>>>>>computers because they know their games against computers are not included for >>>>>>the rating list) >>>>>> >>>>>>This problem can be solved only if the humans get money for winning or drawing >>>>>>against computers that is eqvivalent to the rating change that they could get >>>>>>from not losing aginst the computer in fair conditions. >>>>> >>>>>You can argue about the rating change, but they are playing this tournament for >>>>>money. A win, loss, or draw counts in the standings in the tournament and prize >>>>>money. Unless my information I have is incorrect. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>And I would add also the "ego" factor that in chess players, especially at that >>>>level, is quite high indeed. >>>>In that sense being beated by a "stupid machine" can be quite frustrating... >>> >>>I do not believe that they care about it. >>> >>>I understand that most of the opponents even did not buy tiger so it seems that >>>they do not care much about the result. >> >>Then I take it some of the players did buy ChessTiger. Which players and did it >>help the result in the tournament game? > >I am not sure if it is truth that some players did buy chesstiger but >I remember that people said about some players that they do not own computers or >do not own chesstiger. > >Uri Uri can you say that with knowledge about the human players in this tournament ? I really find it difficult to believe that many if not most of the players at this level do not have computers with programs to aid in their further development of their chess skills. For this same reason I would guess that many have CT. Master chess players have a huge pride and would prepare against a computer program that they must meet ! wayne
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