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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger, round 8

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 09:30:25 07/03/01

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On July 03, 2001 at 11:24:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 03, 2001 at 09:08:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 03, 2001 at 08:55:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 03, 2001 at 03:24:25, Adolfo Bormida wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 02:10:32, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 01:08:54, Tony Asdourian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>CT just beat a second GM, this one rated 2550 or so.  Apparently made a really
>>>>>>nice sac in the process.  I've always been quite impressed with Fritz6, but
>>>>>>looking at what CT 14.0 and GT2 are doing reminds me of the old Novag and RISC
>>>>>>2500 dedicated computers, which for their time played with attacking flair but
>>>>>>were also more than just tactical monsters, they seemed to "enjoy" playing
>>>>>>aggresively.  It is fun to watch this new program play so well.  The online
>>>>>>interview with Christopher Theron he gave recently is also the most revealing
>>>>>>I've read from a top programmer in quite a while.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's game against Rodriguez was good, but this one was really pathetic. What the
>>>>>heck was Ricardi thinking when he played the opening? He fell for a fairly basic
>>>>>tactic on move 7 leaving him much worse and by move 13 he's down a pawn. After
>>>>>that it was just a matter of time. Really not a lot to say about it other than
>>>>>it was a point for Tiger.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                      Albert
>>>>
>>>>Hi Albert
>>>>I'm not agree! Ricardi was played the oppenning not well. Then in move 13th. He
>>>>sac a pawn for some compensation according Ricardi's comments after the game 1)
>>>>Can castling 2)Use the Open c file. If you can see the evaluation 12..., Ne7 is
>>>>the second choice at ply 14 according ChessTiger. I think when you say "this one
>>>>was really pathetic" you are using a very strong word and you no have respect
>>>>for a 2550 GM! (who beat Karpov last year). Can you be sure than you can beat
>>>>the "patetic Ricardi" after move 13?
>>>>
>>>>No offense, not missunderstand me. English is not my native language and only
>>>>give my view.
>>>>
>>>>Regards, Adolfo
>>>
>>>Ricardi isn't a very good computer opponent.  Against Crafty on ICC, he has
>>>won 23, lost 129, drawn 16.
>>
>>It means almost 20%
>>
>>What is the time control of these games?
>>
>>  Against scrappy he has lost 2 but that is all he
>>>has played.  Other GMs do much better than that.
>>
>>What is the score of Crafty and Scrappy against GM's at standard time control at
>>the same time that Ricardi got the +23 -129 =16?
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Crafty has done well at longer time controls.  But again, because most GM
>players prefer to play "real chess" rather than "anti-computer chess" against
>it.  I am sure Ricardi could do better, _if_ he was willing to change his style
>to avoid the strengths of the computer.  See my response to Dan to see what I
>mean...

I'm convinced that tryiing to force the own style of playing only for the aim of
"cheat" the computer can lead to undesired results very often.
And I would like to stress the fatigue of this unnatural job, that very rarely
can produce appreciable results since many programs nowadays contains
appropriate countermeasures.





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