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Subject: Re: ChessTiger achieves GM norm!!,TPR 2743 Elo. Tiger wins in 25 move crush

Author: Mark Young

Date: 10:01:12 07/04/01

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On July 04, 2001 at 12:00:26, martin fierz wrote:

>On July 04, 2001 at 11:08:05, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On July 04, 2001 at 10:46:26, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>On July 04, 2001 at 09:49:04, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 04, 2001 at 09:37:29, Adam Oellermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey clown, why don't you look at the game for yourself...Black was better in
>>>>>>this game when white blundered. It is not like Tiger was losing, and a 25 move
>>>>>>win is a crush....Tiger refuted whites play Qxa7 ....Crush!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you can make your point without the insulting name-calling - it just
>>>>>costs you respect. Martin Fierz appears to have a FIDE elo (see his profile)
>>>>>which implies that his assessment of the situation on the board may have
>>>>>something to it. I'm not saying that he's right or wrong; just that it's worth
>>>>>looking into without getting insulting.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but he is a clown, 1. For assuming I only looked at the move number
>>>>before making a comment about the game. 2. For saying white was winning the game
>>>>when he blundered.
>>>>
>>>>I don't give a damn what his rating is, He was wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>>i said 'white is much better'. maybe that is wrong, and he is only slightly
>>>better. i didn't say white was winning. sorry for assuming you only looked at
>>>the move number.
>>
>>Sorry..also...
>>
>>I took much better as winning or near winning for white. I don't think this is
>>the case, I think Black is *winning* this position before Qxa7.
>
>i should have been more clear. "much better" is a bit too much, to me the
>position just looks like one where black is under pressure and has no
>perspectives - except if black is the chess tiger :-)
>
>>I can not find a good move for white in this position...and Rd1 seems to be a
>>loser.
>
>23. Rc1 is surely a mistake, because it wastes time - he must have overlooked
>Qxc5!. so after Qxc5 he definitely is on the receiving end. of course after Qxa7
>he is looking in bad shape. i think a good improvement for white would be 19.
>Bb2. the chessbase webpage gives the line 19. ...Bxb2?! 20 Rxb2 Rab8 21. Rfb1
>Rxb2 22. Rxb2 Rd8 etc which is again just a nice position for white because of
>the weak pawn on c6. i don't know who is producing these lines, as black i would
>probably go for 19...e5, which avoids ending up with a bad bishop, but limits
>the scope of the Bg7. again, i think white has a nice position. very far away
>from winning, but just the kind of position where you can play on and on and on
>and on...
>
>cheers
>  martin

I do like your idea of 19. Bb2.

The position is hard to judge from a dynamic point of view. From a static view
white after 19.Bb2 looks to have an edge, but how much if any does he really
have. I see many replies for black here, not sure, which is best at this time.
19. e5, 19. BxB, 19. Rab8, even 19. Reb8 looks a bit interesting.





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