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Subject: Re: 10 games is not enough! Remember Fritz Junior match? Of course

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 12:25:03 07/05/01

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On July 05, 2001 at 07:45:09, Harald Faber wrote:

>On July 05, 2001 at 06:10:27, Torstein Hall wrote:
>
>>On July 05, 2001 at 04:20:40, Harald Faber wrote:
>>
>>>A disappointing result for the GambitTiger fans. Such a clear and justified loss
>>>hasn't happened before. I wouldn't explain the 2.5-7.5 with statistical margain.
>>>Looking at the games, I'd expect another win of Shredder if the match would be
>>>repeated. Maybe not so high, but a 6-4 would fit my  forecast. Shredder really
>>>played some fine games, see yourself. You find the games at
>>>http://www.geocities.com/Harald1312/HaraldFaberE.html.
>>>
>>>Next match is versus Hiarcs 7.32 who was already very hard to beat by
>>>ChessTiger. The first game ended in a draw, in the second one both programs show
>>>a +2 in favour of Hiarcs, but it is a rook and pawn ending so maybe GambitTiger
>>>can reach a draw.
>>
>>10 games is not enough games to say anything for sure about program strenght!
>
>I know. But take a look at the games, don't you agree that Shredder played
>convincingly? And of course I wouldn't dare speaking of Shredder being stronger
>than GambitTiger after only 10 games. I would at least take 50 games to be on
>the right trip.
>
>>I'm not sure how many games you would need to 99% sure that one program is
>>stronger than another. Perhaps 2-300?
>>
>>Torstein
>
>Don't know exactly, but 50-100 should be enough to get a good approximation. I'd
>be interested in a statistic that shows the average gain/loss of ELO in the SSDF
>between 100 and 300 or 500 games.
>
>BTW referring to your new subject: Doesn't it show that Fritz-Junior should have
>stopped after 10 games? ;-)))

Did not matter much to me, as I think Schredder or Chess Tiger would be the
obvious choise for such a match!

I feel they both would have a better prospect than Fritz or Junior. I actually
do not know Junior and Schredder very well, but have looked at some of the games
they have played. (I do own Junior 5) So my opinion is mostly based on feelings.

Torstein



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