Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:28:05 07/06/01
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On July 06, 2001 at 05:01:13, odell hall wrote: >On July 06, 2001 at 04:54:02, Mogens Larsen wrote: > >>On July 06, 2001 at 00:18:54, odell hall wrote: >> >>>If i am not mistaken didn't roman just lose a two game match to shredder at the >>>time control of 30 5, what evidence can you produce which says if humans have >>>more time they win??? All the 40/2 games we have seen in the last threee years, >>>does not prove that point. IN fact we have seen that even on hardware that is >>>barely decent tiger has performed on the level of 2700 elo. Can you show me one >>>bad result of a computer at standard time controls??? If you cannot then all you >>>have is conjecture vs our facts and hard data. Even century 1 performed at 2552 >>>over a period of many games, show me the results where grandmasters have gotten >>>the best of the computers, do you have even one result???? >> >>Bob already explained why timecontrols alone don't tell the complete story. The >>other aspect is the incentives to try and harness computer programs. I, for one, >>can't see what those would be. The only major carrot is money as far as I can >>tell and since it's not the primary source of income the effort limited IMO. In >>general the games against computer programs are few and far between. Why devote >>a lot of time to that? >> >>The GM strength discussion is a little strange in the sense that some in the >>computer community thinks of it as a competition, ie. beating GMs regularly >>proving strength. Unfortunately, the competitor (your average run of the mill >>GM) hasn't got a clue about the "contest", so he/she generally ignores them >>altogether. And since one is standing virtually still and all the programs >>moving forward, there comes a point of catching up. However, this fact will not >>prove anything about strength IMO. It's like running against Maurice Greene when >>he's tying his shoes with his back to the track. >> >>Mogens. > > >you and bob are both full of shit, bacause Ed Shoeder did offer a money >incentive during the grandmaster challenge, go to the rebel home page Two things: 1. keep up this kind of posting and you will cease to exist here. 2. look at the amount of money Ed offered. Compare that to the amount of money available at the typical GM tournament. Then figure out which you would spend more time trying to win
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