Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 20:37:42 07/06/01
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On July 30, 2001 at 08:18:53, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>On July 06, 2001 at 12:21:59, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>On July 06, 2001 at 11:50:22, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>>
>>>On July 06, 2001 at 03:28:35, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 06, 2001 at 03:25:05, Adolfo Bormida wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[Event "IV Magistral Republica Argentina"]
>>>>>[Site "Florida"]
>>>>>[Date "2001.07.05"]
>>>>>[Round "10"]
>>>>>[White "COMP Chess Tiger"]
>>>>>[Black "Panno, Oscar"]
>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>[ECO "B43"]
>>>>>[WhiteElo "2632"]
>>>>>[BlackElo "2471"]
>>>>>[PlyCount "67"]
>>>>>[EventDate "2001.06.22"]
>>>>>[Source "RGA"]
>>>>>
>>>>>1. e4 {1} 1... c5 {85} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... e6 {14} 3. Nc3 {0} 3... a6 {105} 4. d4 {
>>>>>0} 4... cxd4 {27} 5. Nxd4 {0} 5... b5 {47} 6. Bd3 {0} 6... Qb6 {42} 7. Nb3 {0}
>>>>>7... Bb7 {51} 8. a4 {0} 8... b4 {40} 9. a5 {0} 9... Qc7 {43} 10. Na4 {0} 10...
>>>>>Nf6 {430} 11. Nb6 {0.76/16 473} 11... Nxe4 {83} 12. Nxa8 {1.48/14 127} 12...
>>>>>Bxa8 {28} 13. Be3 {1.30/14 157} 13... Nf6 {251} 14. O-O {1.10/15 160} 14... Bd6
>>>>>{166} 15. g3 {1.04/14 200} 15... h5 {577} 16. Bb6 {1.12/14 130} 16... Qc6 {270}
>>>>>17. f3 {1.00/15 0} 17... Bc7 {942} (17... h4 18. g4 Be5) 18. Qd2 {1.34/14 213}
>>>>>18... Bxb6+ {720} 19. axb6 {1.20/14 20} 19... Qxb6+ {13} 20. Qf2 {1.36/16 224}
>>>>>20... Qxf2+ {168} 21. Kxf2 {1.66/17 340} 21... Ke7 {35} 22. Rfe1 {1.52/15 376}
>>>>>22... Rc8 {359} 23. Nd4 {1.62/15 152} 23... g6 {388} 24. Ra4 {1.68/16 251}
>>>>>24... Nd5 {159} 25. Bxa6 {1.60/16 158} 25... Nxa6 {105} 26. Rxa6 {1.40/17 647}
>>>>>26... Bb7 {75} 27. Ra7 {1.60/15 159} 27... Rb8 {9} 28. c4 {1.74/15 92} 28...
>>>>>bxc3 {114} 29. bxc3 {1.52/17 0} 29... Ba8 {45} 30. c4 {1.66/16 98} 30... Nb4 {
>>>>>54} 31. Rea1 {1.66/16 110} 31... Bc6 {44} 32. Kf1 {1.64/14 97} 32... Rc8 {62}
>>>>>33. Rb1 {1.70/16 100} 33... Nd3 {41} (33... e5 34. Re1 f6 35. f4 Kd6 36. fxe5+
>>>>>fxe5 37. c5+ Kxc5) 34. Rb8 {4.76/19 97} 1-0
>>>
>>>I know personally several of the players that are part of the tournament and
>>>played against several of them. They should feel insulted if they read this kind
>>>of discussion.
>>>
>>>In fact, I know GM Panno very well. For the sake of illustration let me tell
>>>that he is a gentleman and as a chessplayer he is not "just a GM". He is
>>>somebody that gave birth to a variation (King Indian, Panno Variation) and has a
>>>long outstanding career, he is probably 65-67 years old now. He was Junior World
>>>Champion and had to quit for few years to graduate as an engineer. Despite that
>>>stop in a critical time of his chess career and not being a full time
>>>chessplayer, he was several times Argentinian Champion and in the early 70's
>>>ranked in the World top 20 and almost qualify for the candidates matches in
>>>Manila 76 (came in close like 0.5 point). In the 50's, he was a member of the
>>>Argentinian team that captured the silver medal in three consecutive olympic
>>>games after. Anybody remember Lone Pine tournaments? well, he won one of those.
>>>Pretty darn strong GM.
>>>
>>>Of course, aging hurts. It will be easy for him to just retire from active chess
>>>and live from past glory (like many others). No, he just keep playing and accept
>>>to play against a computer. We should thank him for that.
>>>
>>>I understand that there is a lot of B.S. in this group, but sometimes we should
>>>have a little more respect towards people that reached such a grade of
>>>excellence and had a spotless career. I forgot to mention, he has been a chess
>>>teacher his whole life and gave hundreds of lectures. For instance, GM Hoffman
>>>(another friend of mine) was his student.
>>>
>>>I do not mean to react, just to illustrate how silly is just the thought of
>>>a fixed result. Besides, you just touched my former "maestro" and chess model
>>>when I was a teen.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Miguel
>>
>>
>> Very well put Miguel. I share your point of view to a 100 %. Furthermore,
>> chessmaster's (not CM8K ;) personal pride (in a positive sense) is often
>> neglected in posts seen here. This pride often results in: a) you trust your
>> own openings b) you trust your own chess c) when the game has started, you
>> get absorbed by the actual position on the board - money or not, elos or not.
>> At least, this is my own experience from tournament play. And I can assure
>> you that this feeling is also present in "serious" games at home vs some
>> top program. You sort of melt yourself together with the position and
>> definitly doesn't want to lose! Of course Panno, and the other players in
>> the Magistral tournament, deserve a lot more respect than showed on this
>> forum, at least by some.
>>
>> Sune
>
>Hi Miguel,
>Hi Sune,
>I think that thread name given by odell was a kind of provocation vs. the people
>that thinks that computers are not of GM caliber.
>This is not to take his defenses but is coming from the reading of his previous
>posts.
>Probably the phrase was not well "put' in the sense that the meaning was that
>it's hard to believe that this event is fixed. I'm expecting a kind confirmation
>from odell about this.
>I share the Miguel p.o.v. and especially Sune's thought, 'cause I think like him
>that people playing chess have an inner strive for the victory , since they are
>defending their own reputation , especially at high mastery levels, and moreover
>against "brainless" machines.
I would like to add I share these thoughts 100 %.
Wayne
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