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Subject: Re: How strong are Computers at Positional Play?

Author: odell hall

Date: 00:48:33 07/07/01

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On July 07, 2001 at 03:08:31, allan johnson wrote:

>On July 07, 2001 at 02:52:42, odell hall wrote:
>
>>On July 06, 2001 at 20:36:38, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On July 06, 2001 at 20:27:16, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 06, 2001 at 20:16:46, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 06, 2001 at 20:10:49, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>How strong are Computers at Positional Play?
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that I'm better (DWZ 2099, German Elo)!
>>>>>
>>>>>Eduard
>>>>
>>>> You may be stronger positionally, but it means absolutely nothing if you cannot
>>>>defeat the machine. I do believe the object of chess is to win the gazme?
>>>
>>>I take it you have not seen Eduard's posts where he has defeated many commercial
>>>programs more than once.
>>>
>>>Everyone knows, if chess programs were  positional skilled as they are tactical,
>>>we probably wouldn't have the "are computers GM strength" questions flying
>>>around here all the time.
>>>
>>>And that is how Eduard consistantly defeats them, gets them into a position were
>>>it is too difficult for them to figure out what's REALLY going on.
>>>
>>>
>>>Slate
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Slate
>>
>> I am too skeptical to take some one's word for it, if the game was not played
>>in public i don't believe it. Anyone can say they beat a program, how can i
>>verify that it is true?? It's funny you are always hearing people say they beat
>>this or that program, yet in all the public games Grandmaster and international
>>masters are losing, even on icc the computers when most of the time.
>Odell
>   What about a situation where the player restricts the opening to 3 or 4
>opening lines and plays it over and over eventually eliminating his/her mistakes
>and in doing so finding the winning line.Is this a legitimate win against the
>computer? That's what I do.Mind you I often forget some lines of play and then
>get slaughtered but I'm sure stronger players can master this technique.
> Of course such a technique has its limitations nonetheless it is still
>legitimate in my mind.
>Al


 yes, i agree that it is legitamate, humans do the same thing with each other,
they improve on a inferior line.



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