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Subject: Re: Interesting Position (Tactics and King Safety)

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 14:37:09 07/07/01

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On July 07, 2001 at 15:51:46, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>[D]2r2rk1/1p2bppp/1qn1p3/p2pPn2/1P1P1P1P/P2Q1NP1/1B2N3/2R1K2R w K -
>
>This position was reached in a game on ICC, with LambChop black and a human
>white.  LambChop just played a5, which allows the opponent to attack on the king
>side with g4 Nh6 Ng5 g6 h5 and white is winning I think.
>
>I was a little surprised that it takes Chop 11ply to play g4 (initially it
>preferred b5), and even after a 13ply search the score is still slightly
>negative (0.2 in black's favour).
>
>So I'm wondering how other programs do here?

XiniX (AMD333, 32Mb hash) gives about the same result. Biggest difference is
that is suggests black recaptures on b4 with the bishop.

ply: 8/19 score:-0,700 time:33s 47Kn/s
1.b5 Na7 2.a4 Rxc1+ 3.Bxc1 Rc8 4.O-O Rc4 5.Qb3 Nc6

ply: 9/22 score:-0,564 time:110s 47Kn/s
1.b5 Na7 2.a4 Rxc1+ 3.Bxc1 Rc8 4.O-O Rc4 5.Qb3 Nc6 6.Be3

ply:10/22 score:-0,606 time:181s 48Kn/s
1.b5 Na7 2.a4 Rxc1+ 3.Bxc1 Rc8 4.O-O Rc4 5.Qb3 Rb4 6.Qc2 Rc4

ply:11/25 score:-0,487 time:548s 49Kn/s
1.b5 Na7 2.a4 Rxc1+ 3.Bxc1 Rc8 4.O-O Rc4 5.Qb3 g6

ply:11/26 score:-0,387 g4 fail high
ply:11/27 score:-0,232 time:1019s 48Kn/s
1.g4 Bxb4+ 2.axb4 Nxb4 3.Qb1 Ne3 4.Bc3 Nxg4 5.Bxb4

I guess white king safety together with the amount of pieces still on the board
gives the problems.

Tony

>
>I think that black has some chances to muddy the waters with sacrifices on b4 at
>various points.  While I don't think these are any good, they do have some merit
>and could push the horizon out a bit.
>
>Any suggestions of what sort of evaluation terms or extensions might help here
>would be welcome :-)
>
>cheers,
>Peter
>
>p.s. Now I see that there is another possible defence: g4 axb4 gxf5 bxa3, not
>sure if this works but it's interesting.  The position after g4:
>
>[D]2r2rk1/1p2bppp/1qn1p3/p2pPn2/1P1P1PPP/P2Q1N2/1B2N3/2R1K2R b K -
>
>In this position, Chop needs 12ply to switch to axb4, score is +0.44.  I
>wouldn't treat that score as gospel, but I think axb4 is a much better try than
>Nh6.



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