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Subject: Re: One mate to solve...

Author: leonid

Date: 15:54:35 07/07/01

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On July 07, 2001 at 18:37:06, leonid wrote:

>On July 07, 2001 at 16:27:46, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>
>>On July 07, 2001 at 12:47:12, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>If you would like to solve mate then position then look into this:
>>>
>>>[D]q2k2q1/1r1q1r2/nRqQqRn1/NqQbQqN1/QQ1K1QQ1/Q2B2Q1/p2b2p1/8 w - -
>>
>>Hi Leonid,
>
>Hi!
>>
>>According to Chest this is a mate in ten with one solution move:
>>
>>PV: Qxd7+ Qcxd7 Qb8+ Qxb8 Qxb8+ Rxb8 Rxb8+ Nxb8 Qxb8+ Qc8 Nxe6+ Bxe6 Qcb6+ Rc7
>>Q6xc7+ Ke8 Qxg6+ Qf7 Qce7#
>>
>>(K7/600, 350 MB hash, 2.3 hours)
>>
>>>This position is curious from the point of view that its branching factor (when
>>>mate is searched by brute force) diminish with the depth of search. Usually it
>>>is contrary that you can see.
>>
>> depth    time      EBF
>>#  2      0.01s                 0kN  1.00          1-         0
>>#  3      0.04s [  4.00]        1kN  0.97         87-         0
>>#  4      0.37s [  9.25]       17kN  1.03       1272-         0
>>#  5      2.62s [  7.08]      126kN  1.16      11441-         0
>>#  6     16.15s [  6.16]      800kN  1.35      77134-         0
>>#  7     90.26s [  5.59]     4638kN  1.59     435750-         0
>>#  8    524.25s [  5.81]    28147kN  1.88    2418963-       217
>>#  9   2157.76s [  4.12]   116264kN  2.44    9713815-   1536836
>># 10   8206.47s [  3.80]   441956kN  3.20   36849208-  28101307
>>
>>Yes, for Chest also the effective branching factor (EBF) is decreasing.
>
>So this tendency really depend on position. Mine went like this when search is
>done  by brute force:
>
4 moves - 1.1 sec   52k (NPS)
            6.65 (branching factor)
5 moves - 7.3 sec   42k
            6.02
6 moves - 44 sec    42k
            5.91
7 moves - 4 min 20 sec  42k
            5.18
8 moves - 22 min 31 sec 50k
            4.4
9 moves - 1h 39m 6sec 54k

10 moves - 2h 37m 14sec

>>> Even second variation of this position, that I
>>>tried by brute force, have the same tendency. Second position was left as more
>>>tough one. If you want to see it then change position of two pieces on the
>>>board. White bishop from D3 goes to H7 and black bishop from D2 to H2.
>>
>>I have not yet tried that one.
>>
>>> I wonder
>>>even if the second position don't have some solution for blacks but have no time
>>>to try  it. If you will try for blacks, please say me your result if even your
>>>result was negative.
>>
>>I'm not sure what you are talking about.  Same board, but with black to move
>>and mate?

Yes!

I expect to put this night this position with blacks. It can take a lot of time.
I could see that Angrim found response for whites by selective in much shorter
time that mine. My program went for 7 hours in selective and found it in 13
moves. This is why I expect that search for blacks could be also long.

If you will start searching for white side, you can start directly from 10
moves. First 9 moves I looked already by brute force. No mate in sight.


Cheers,
Leonid.


>>>Please say your result.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Heiner



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