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Subject: Re: Are Anti-Computer Chess Strategies always possible?

Author: odell hall

Date: 06:17:10 07/08/01

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On July 06, 2001 at 10:38:58, Chessfun wrote:

>On July 06, 2001 at 05:01:13, odell hall wrote:
>
>>On July 06, 2001 at 04:54:02, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>On July 06, 2001 at 00:18:54, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>If i am not mistaken didn't roman just lose a two game match to shredder at the
>>>>time control of 30 5, what evidence can you produce which says if humans have
>>>>more time they win??? All the 40/2 games we have seen in the last threee years,
>>>>does not prove that point. IN fact we have seen that even on hardware that is
>>>>barely decent tiger has performed on the level of 2700 elo. Can you show me one
>>>>bad result of a computer at standard time controls??? If you cannot then all you
>>>>have is conjecture vs our facts and hard data. Even century 1 performed at 2552
>>>>over a period of many games, show me the results where grandmasters have gotten
>>>>the best of the computers, do you have even one result????
>>>
>>>Bob already explained why timecontrols alone don't tell the complete story. The
>>>other aspect is the incentives to try and harness computer programs. I, for one,
>>>can't see what those would be. The only major carrot is money as far as I can
>>>tell and since it's not the primary source of income the effort limited IMO. In
>>>general the games against computer programs are few and far between. Why devote
>>>a lot of time to that?
>>>
>>>The GM strength discussion is a little strange in the sense that some in the
>>>computer community thinks of it as a competition, ie. beating GMs regularly
>>>proving strength. Unfortunately, the competitor (your average run of the mill
>>>GM) hasn't got a clue about the "contest", so he/she generally ignores them
>>>altogether. And since one is standing virtually still and all the programs
>>>moving forward, there comes a point of catching up. However, this fact will not
>>>prove anything about strength IMO. It's like running against Maurice Greene when
>>>he's tying his shoes with his back to the track.
>>>
>>>Mogens.
>>
>>
>>you and bob are both full of shit, bacause Ed Shoeder did offer a money
>>incentive during the grandmaster challenge, go to the rebel home page
>
>Off with his head.


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