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Subject: Re: Spitfire(Gambit 2.0) Highest rated comp. on ICC

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 15:30:52 07/08/01

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On July 08, 2001 at 17:05:56, Curtis Williams wrote:

>On July 08, 2001 at 00:53:11, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On July 08, 2001 at 00:07:12, Curtis Williams wrote:
>>
>>>2833 KillerMachi(C) 3451 JRLOK(GM)      3275 KillerMachi(C)
>>>2829 Crawly(C)      3443 SpitFire(C)    3135 Weezer(C)
>>>2811 SandmanJr(C)   3429 scrappy(C)     3082 Foe-hammer(C)
>>>2738 EvilSilicon(C) 3375 Netsurfer(C)   3022 CraftyWiz(C)
>>>2726 Colossus(C)    3363 ChessBeta(C)   2970 Trojanx(C)
>>>2718 Aegis(C)       3314 RebelRex(C)    2954 Colossus(C)
>>>2713 ShredderX(C)   3309 L-Aronian(GM)  2947 diep(C)
>>>2711 Good-Boy(C)    3297 KillerMachi(C) 2935 Good-Boy(C)
>>>2703 OzsO(C)        3292 lorenzo(GM)    2902 heatstroke(C)
>>>2699 heatstroke(C)  3225 garompon(GM)   2902 valheru(C)
>>>2696 kooloo(C)      3222 valheru(C)     2878 Hawkeye(GM)
>>>2686 valheru(C)     3210 Weezer(C)      2871 Aegis(C)
>>>2676 Spendrups(C)   3201 bonvivant      2867 Rabin(IM)
>>>2669 BountyHunte(C) 3197 junior(GM)     2858 PIECEOFFCHI(C)
>>>2651 Wansi(C)       3187 Dreev(GM)      2833 LarryC(GM)
>>>2643 JRLOK(GM)      3180 Hawkeye(GM)    2827 giant-c(C)
>>>2641 JrChess        3169 swimmer(C)     2823 Wansi(C)
>>>2636 BrazilianMa(C) 3152 jeleen(GM)     2811 Gela(GM)
>>>2625 Foe-hammer(C)  3144 NewZorro(GM)   2793 Crawly(C)
>>>2622 Talmoves(C)    3141 Irina(GM)      2790 troii(C)
>>>2620 Eyssa(C)       3141 YearOfTheR(FM) 2780 Tiger14(C)
>>>2611 Deveraux(C)    3140 mikenty(IM)    2779 Lohman(C)
>>>Supe
>>
>>There's no text so I don't know what you are trying to imply by this.  If you
>>are trying to say that Tiger is strong, Tiger is strong.  However, there are
>>some facts about the account that should be made known:
>
>There was no text needed, I was simply posting a fact and that is that Spitfire
>IS the number computer account on ICC.  Whether the rating is achieved through
>your suggested terms or through existing practices it still remains a fact.
>>
>>1) It only plays humans.
>>2) It only plays people rated in excess of almost 3100.
>
>Mr. Moreland it is a general practice of all computer accounts to play opponents
>rated within 350-400 points of there rating.  It only makes sense because
>there's no gain for playing someone out of that range.  So ask yourself if you
>were 3400 what in the hell are you doing playing someone 1500?  So it's
>irrational for you to suggest that.
>

I don't think it's "general practice" at all. For example, my program is set
to play anyone rated over 1800. That's about 800 points below its current
rating.

>Spitfire is currently set to play anyone within 350 points of it's rating...it's
>reasonable and definitely not trolling. Spitfire was once 1800 and progressed
>through the rating structure with the same formula it uses now.  So it has
>achieved the 3400 rating by beating everyone in ICC in a fair manner.

According to spitfire's formula it will only play *humans*. Perhaps that's
what you mean by "anyone"?

>>
>>Basically it only plays people who are on the "best" list.  So this is yet
>>another "human-only" rating pig in the mold of Scrappy, the kind that is making
>>it very difficult for a program that plays a wide range of opponents to find any
>>titled humans to play.
>
>Your inflammed comments toward a simple post of progress suggest that you have a
>hidden resentment towards Tiger and Crafty (programs with the ability to
>interface with ICC) is it that you would like to see you program make it to
>number?  Whatever the case, don't blast my post because of your jealousies.
>Tune your energy into something more constructive like creating a more
>competitive program and maybe it too will make it to number one on ICC.

This comment is preposterous. I guess you're just trolling for responses?

>>
>>I think that approximately any good program could get that high on the list if
>>it trolled for people who wanted to get punished.
>
>Spitfire is there as a training tool for players within that range who wish to
>match it.  It is ICC's policy for computers not to match humans so it is totally
>the choice of humans to play these computers.  There does exist strong humans,
>who seek out strong computers to inflate there rating OR are they seeking out
>the strongest tool of chess available to strengthen their play?  It's up to
>interpretation.  Which you have displayed with your comments and are definitely
>entitled to them.  At the same time, I am entitled to mine and I will continue
>to post my progress as I see fit.  So come to grips with your insecurites and
>move on.
>
>Curtis

I'm not sure I'd call it *your* progress. Tiger is a great program, but all
you did was set a restrictive formula.

Andrew




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