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Subject: Re: Tell him about it Bruce!!!!

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 21:38:09 07/08/01

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On July 08, 2001 at 23:51:45, odell hall wrote:

>On July 08, 2001 at 23:28:08, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On July 08, 2001 at 22:06:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>IE let's place a bet that I can flip a coin and get 10 consecutive tails.
>>>I _know_ that if I build a "robot flipper" it will force you to pay off the
>>>bet, because if I flip enough, 10 heads _must_ eventually come up, otherwise
>>>the coin is not "fair".  That is how a computer will get its "norms".   It will
>>>just plug along and eventually enough humans will "break" against it in the
>>>same tournament and it will do well enough to pull it off.  I believe _any_
>>>program could do this today.
>>>
>>>I mentioned that back in the 1980's, Fidelity entered multiple machines in
>>>the US Open, at the same event.  Some did horribly.  One would invariably do
>>>well.  That was the one you read about on the front of the package.  :)
>>
>>They are all doing well in all of the events though.
>>
>>I think that you are being pushed down the Bataan penninsula, and eventually you
>>are going to run out of bullets and things to eat.  It has to happen eventually,
>>since you have hardware advances killing you, at the very least.  All of the
>>programs are doing well against humans.  It's kind of silly to say that they
>>aren't on par.
>>
>>You need to get out of this "programs aren't GM's" thing gracefully at some
>>point, probably soon.  You've got a bunch of people up in arms about it, and no
>>matter whether or not you've been right at some past point, at some future point
>>you will be wrong, and you will have to admit it, and all of these guys you are
>>arguing with will use that as an opportunity to try to make you eat shit for
>>about a year.
>>
>>bruce
>
>
>
> Now i know the world is coming to an End, Even Bruce Moreland has joined the
>Computers are GM Strength Camp, which it seems any reasonable person would
>admitt given all the overwelming evidence, it is more dignified for Bob just to
>admit he was wrong, which i think he has done basically in some of his responses
>to me. Not that I am particulary interested in seeing anyone eat Crow.

I don't keep up on what the computers are doing.  I haven't looked at the games.
 I don't follow the results.  But everything I've heard sounds good for the
computers.

I try not to participate in this argument.

bruce




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