Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 21:38:09 07/08/01
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On July 08, 2001 at 23:51:45, odell hall wrote: >On July 08, 2001 at 23:28:08, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On July 08, 2001 at 22:06:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>IE let's place a bet that I can flip a coin and get 10 consecutive tails. >>>I _know_ that if I build a "robot flipper" it will force you to pay off the >>>bet, because if I flip enough, 10 heads _must_ eventually come up, otherwise >>>the coin is not "fair". That is how a computer will get its "norms". It will >>>just plug along and eventually enough humans will "break" against it in the >>>same tournament and it will do well enough to pull it off. I believe _any_ >>>program could do this today. >>> >>>I mentioned that back in the 1980's, Fidelity entered multiple machines in >>>the US Open, at the same event. Some did horribly. One would invariably do >>>well. That was the one you read about on the front of the package. :) >> >>They are all doing well in all of the events though. >> >>I think that you are being pushed down the Bataan penninsula, and eventually you >>are going to run out of bullets and things to eat. It has to happen eventually, >>since you have hardware advances killing you, at the very least. All of the >>programs are doing well against humans. It's kind of silly to say that they >>aren't on par. >> >>You need to get out of this "programs aren't GM's" thing gracefully at some >>point, probably soon. You've got a bunch of people up in arms about it, and no >>matter whether or not you've been right at some past point, at some future point >>you will be wrong, and you will have to admit it, and all of these guys you are >>arguing with will use that as an opportunity to try to make you eat shit for >>about a year. >> >>bruce > > > > Now i know the world is coming to an End, Even Bruce Moreland has joined the >Computers are GM Strength Camp, which it seems any reasonable person would >admitt given all the overwelming evidence, it is more dignified for Bob just to >admit he was wrong, which i think he has done basically in some of his responses >to me. Not that I am particulary interested in seeing anyone eat Crow. I don't keep up on what the computers are doing. I haven't looked at the games. I don't follow the results. But everything I've heard sounds good for the computers. I try not to participate in this argument. bruce
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