Author: Mogens Larsen
Date: 01:44:51 07/09/01
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On July 08, 2001 at 23:28:08, Bruce Moreland wrote: >You need to get out of this "programs aren't GM's" thing gracefully at some >point, probably soon. You've got a bunch of people up in arms about it, and no >matter whether or not you've been right at some past point, at some future point >you will be wrong, and you will have to admit it, and all of these guys you are >arguing with will use that as an opportunity to try to make you eat shit for >about a year. There's no reason for Bob to change his mind at all about this issue. He's chosen to argue the chess aspect of the grandmaster title (what a rotten thing to do) instead of singular results here and there. And since there are no definition of "GM strength" so far, it's a perfectly legitimate argument. One that can hold water for a long time if argued with style. Personally, I find the debate to be ludicrous. Even if everybody here decided that computer programs are of GM strength (given that we can agree on that first) and sign a statement with our own blood, it won't change a single thing anywhere. We have two very different entities (computer programs and humans) that don't actually compete and we're trying to evaluate one against the other. That doesn't make sense. A chess program with all bells and whistles could probably achieve all the norms needed, but that doesn't constitute general proof. Some (me) would say that a few things like opening book and maybe EGTB should be removed first, before a "real" human vs. comp comparison makes sense. That's probably really silly, but I don't care one bit. A definition of a computer program GM could be: Achieving the required norms without book and egtb, using only a single cpu computer and the program must not be modified at all. That would do it for me I think. The important requirement of the above restriction is the ability to play unaided grandmaster chess. Not strength achieved through hardware or book cooking. Regards, Mogens
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