Author: odell hall
Date: 05:23:01 07/10/01
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On July 10, 2001 at 07:05:28, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 10, 2001 at 06:10:32, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On July 10, 2001 at 05:51:49, Fabio Barrettone wrote: >> >>>On July 10, 2001 at 04:41:36, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>>I have been very curious about the new Junior 7. The games of the beta I have >>>>seen showed offensive and >>>>exciting chess. In the match versus ChessTiger the first beta-impressions have >>>>been confirmed: Junior >>>>does not care for the own material, sacrifices too much and too often IMO. >>>>Especially against ChessTiger >>>>this method is a dead born child. Tiger plays so stable, safe, secure so that >>>>Harakiri attacks don't >>>>work. Tiger takes what he can get, defends the attacks and escapes with a won >>>>endgame due to the plus of >>>>material that Junior sacced before. It worked so well that Tiger won clearly by >>>>7.0-3.0 versus Junior. >>> >>>Junior 7 is a very beautiful engine to watch. I like its style very much. >> >>It is entertaining, but CSTal was/is too... >> >>>However, I don't know why the people at Chessbase has given it a book that >>>doesn't suite at all its style of play. They have given J7 a book that reach >>>almost all the times simple positions and this is as to say "destroy me" with >>>engines as Chess Tiger considering the style of J7. >> >>AFAIk the book is by Boris Alterman and he is GM and member of the Junior team. >>Correct me if I'm wrong. So the book should certainly be better than the Tiger >>or Shredder-book which only have been assembled out of a database. > >1)I am going to be surprised if the Tiger and the Shredder books are really only >based on database. > >I know that the programmers are interested in being number 1 in the ssdf list so >I can expect them to give their program a better book than it and you do not >have to be a good player in order to do it in the first moves. > >Example:If you watch your program and find that it does relatively bad results >with black after 1.e4 e6 you can teach it not to play e6 against 1.e4 > >It can learn to do it from results in the ssdf games but it is going to lose >games and rating points in order to do it. > >2)I do not believe that Alterman's book is better than other books. > >It is not enough to be a GM in order to do a superior book for a program. > >You need to waste a lot of time in it and find opening that are good for Junior7 >and I doubt if Boris alterman did it. > >I believed in the past that Junior should have a better book because of the fact >that alterman is a GM but I was wrong. > >I know that Junior lost one game against Fritz in WCCC thanks to Boris alterman. >He decided to go for a line that Junior did not understand and after the game >explained an idea that no computer that I know could find at least at that >time(I did not test it again). > >I am also not sure if the idea of alterman was objectively correct because I did >not see a forced win and the fact that it was possible to win against Fritz by >this idea does not prove that the idea is correct. > >Uri Hi Uri As a fellow jew, do you play computer chess on sabbath, is this illigal? I have wondered but have no rabbi, i am a ethopian jew.
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