Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:37:10 07/10/01
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On July 10, 2001 at 08:23:01, odell hall wrote: >On July 10, 2001 at 07:05:28, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On July 10, 2001 at 06:10:32, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On July 10, 2001 at 05:51:49, Fabio Barrettone wrote: >>> >>>>On July 10, 2001 at 04:41:36, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have been very curious about the new Junior 7. The games of the beta I have >>>>>seen showed offensive and >>>>>exciting chess. In the match versus ChessTiger the first beta-impressions have >>>>>been confirmed: Junior >>>>>does not care for the own material, sacrifices too much and too often IMO. >>>>>Especially against ChessTiger >>>>>this method is a dead born child. Tiger plays so stable, safe, secure so that >>>>>Harakiri attacks don't >>>>>work. Tiger takes what he can get, defends the attacks and escapes with a won >>>>>endgame due to the plus of >>>>>material that Junior sacced before. It worked so well that Tiger won clearly by >>>>>7.0-3.0 versus Junior. >>>> >>>>Junior 7 is a very beautiful engine to watch. I like its style very much. >>> >>>It is entertaining, but CSTal was/is too... >>> >>>>However, I don't know why the people at Chessbase has given it a book that >>>>doesn't suite at all its style of play. They have given J7 a book that reach >>>>almost all the times simple positions and this is as to say "destroy me" with >>>>engines as Chess Tiger considering the style of J7. >>> >>>AFAIk the book is by Boris Alterman and he is GM and member of the Junior team. >>>Correct me if I'm wrong. So the book should certainly be better than the Tiger >>>or Shredder-book which only have been assembled out of a database. >> >>1)I am going to be surprised if the Tiger and the Shredder books are really only >>based on database. >> >>I know that the programmers are interested in being number 1 in the ssdf list so >>I can expect them to give their program a better book than it and you do not >>have to be a good player in order to do it in the first moves. >> >>Example:If you watch your program and find that it does relatively bad results >>with black after 1.e4 e6 you can teach it not to play e6 against 1.e4 >> >>It can learn to do it from results in the ssdf games but it is going to lose >>games and rating points in order to do it. >> >>2)I do not believe that Alterman's book is better than other books. >> >>It is not enough to be a GM in order to do a superior book for a program. >> >>You need to waste a lot of time in it and find opening that are good for Junior7 >>and I doubt if Boris alterman did it. >> >>I believed in the past that Junior should have a better book because of the fact >>that alterman is a GM but I was wrong. >> >>I know that Junior lost one game against Fritz in WCCC thanks to Boris alterman. >>He decided to go for a line that Junior did not understand and after the game >>explained an idea that no computer that I know could find at least at that >>time(I did not test it again). >> >>I am also not sure if the idea of alterman was objectively correct because I did >>not see a forced win and the fact that it was possible to win against Fritz by >>this idea does not prove that the idea is correct. >> >>Uri > > >Hi Uri > > > As a fellow jew, do you play computer chess on sabbath, is this illigal? I >have wondered but have no rabbi, i am a ethopian jew. I am not religious like most of the people in Israel so I do not care about it. I know that working in sabath(sabath is saturday for people who do not understand hebrew) is not allowed for religious people and there are things that are considered as working(I believe that using the computer actively is one of them). comp-comp games are allowed if you started them before saturday but my understanding is that using the computer actively is not allowed for religious people unless you can save the life of somebody by doing it. Uri
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