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Subject: Re: Shredder 5.32 vs Fritz 6; Chessbase, Engine Match

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:56:03 07/13/01

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On July 13, 2001 at 19:00:09, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On July 13, 2001 at 18:15:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 2001 at 17:50:43, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>Time Control Game in 60 Book Fritz6 General ctg. Default Settings. Pondering
>>>off.
>>>
>>>Hardware PIII 500 128MB of SDRAM.
>>>
>>>Shredder 5.32 wins by one point.
>>>
>>>Shredder seems to benefit from extra time. Extra knowlege has it's rewards.
>>
>>I do not see that shredder earns more from time based on the results that I
>>read.
>>
>>I also do not know that shredder5.32 has more knowledge than Fritz.
>>Using the number of nps to decide which program has more knowledge is simply
>>wrong.
>>
>>Shredder5.32 beated Fritz6 also in blitz 26-24.
>>
>>see http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?179531
>>
>>Uri
>
>Maybe Uri? Regardless from my tests and many many others Fritz 6 and Shredder
>5.32 are roughly equal, however I do feel that Shredder on a machine 100x faster
>than the fastest PC _might_ do better!?
>
>Terry

I do not have the same feeling.

I also have no evidence for it after knowing that shredder lost against the
world when I understood that it did not play well at that game so it seems that
more time does not help Shredder more than other programs.

shredder5.32 did not play against the world(only older shredder played) and one
game is not enough to prove if shredder is better or worse at long time control
but I am not going to believe that Shredder is better at long time control
before seeing a clear evidence for it.

I know that the ssdf test Fritz and the ssdf tests suggest that Deep Fritz
dominates(Deep Fritz is better than Fritz6).

The ssdf do not have results for shredder5.32 but I know that the ssdf results
are at long time control so I have no reason to believe that Fritz is going to
be worse relative to shredder at long time control.

Uri



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