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Subject: Re: Shredder 5.32 vs Fritz 6; Chessbase, Engine Match

Author: odell hall

Date: 17:19:23 07/13/01

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On July 13, 2001 at 19:56:03, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 13, 2001 at 19:00:09, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 2001 at 18:15:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 13, 2001 at 17:50:43, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>Time Control Game in 60 Book Fritz6 General ctg. Default Settings. Pondering
>>>>off.
>>>>
>>>>Hardware PIII 500 128MB of SDRAM.
>>>>
>>>>Shredder 5.32 wins by one point.
>>>>
>>>>Shredder seems to benefit from extra time. Extra knowlege has it's rewards.
>>>
>>>I do not see that shredder earns more from time based on the results that I
>>>read.
>>>
>>>I also do not know that shredder5.32 has more knowledge than Fritz.
>>>Using the number of nps to decide which program has more knowledge is simply
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>Shredder5.32 beated Fritz6 also in blitz 26-24.
>>>
>>>see http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?179531
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Maybe Uri? Regardless from my tests and many many others Fritz 6 and Shredder
>>5.32 are roughly equal, however I do feel that Shredder on a machine 100x faster
>>than the fastest PC _might_ do better!?
>>
>>Terry
>
>I do not have the same feeling.
>
>I also have no evidence for it after knowing that shredder lost against the
>world when I understood that it did not play well at that game so it seems that
>more time does not help Shredder more than other programs.
>
>shredder5.32 did not play against the world(only older shredder played) and one
>game is not enough to prove if shredder is better or worse at long time control
>but I am not going to believe that Shredder is better at long time control
>before seeing a clear evidence for it.
>
>I know that the ssdf test Fritz and the ssdf tests suggest that Deep Fritz
>dominates(Deep Fritz is better than Fritz6).
>
>The ssdf do not have results for shredder5.32 but I know that the ssdf results
>are at long time control so I have no reason to believe that Fritz is going to
>be worse relative to shredder at long time control.
>
>Uri


Uri your one of my favorite people here, and I think your a very smart man, but
your english leaves much to be Desired. How long have you studied English?



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