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Subject: Re: Shredder 5.32 vs Fritz 6; Chessbase, Engine Match

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:01:04 07/14/01

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On July 13, 2001 at 20:19:23, odell hall wrote:

>On July 13, 2001 at 19:56:03, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 2001 at 19:00:09, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On July 13, 2001 at 18:15:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 13, 2001 at 17:50:43, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Time Control Game in 60 Book Fritz6 General ctg. Default Settings. Pondering
>>>>>off.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hardware PIII 500 128MB of SDRAM.
>>>>>
>>>>>Shredder 5.32 wins by one point.
>>>>>
>>>>>Shredder seems to benefit from extra time. Extra knowlege has it's rewards.
>>>>
>>>>I do not see that shredder earns more from time based on the results that I
>>>>read.
>>>>
>>>>I also do not know that shredder5.32 has more knowledge than Fritz.
>>>>Using the number of nps to decide which program has more knowledge is simply
>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Shredder5.32 beated Fritz6 also in blitz 26-24.
>>>>
>>>>see http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?179531
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Maybe Uri? Regardless from my tests and many many others Fritz 6 and Shredder
>>>5.32 are roughly equal, however I do feel that Shredder on a machine 100x faster
>>>than the fastest PC _might_ do better!?
>>>
>>>Terry
>>
>>I do not have the same feeling.
>>
>>I also have no evidence for it after knowing that shredder lost against the
>>world when I understood that it did not play well at that game so it seems that
>>more time does not help Shredder more than other programs.
>>
>>shredder5.32 did not play against the world(only older shredder played) and one
>>game is not enough to prove if shredder is better or worse at long time control
>>but I am not going to believe that Shredder is better at long time control
>>before seeing a clear evidence for it.
>>
>>I know that the ssdf test Fritz and the ssdf tests suggest that Deep Fritz
>>dominates(Deep Fritz is better than Fritz6).
>>
>>The ssdf do not have results for shredder5.32 but I know that the ssdf results
>>are at long time control so I have no reason to believe that Fritz is going to
>>be worse relative to shredder at long time control.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Uri your one of my favorite people here, and I think your a very smart man, but
>your english leaves much to be Desired. How long have you studied English?

I studied english when I was at school many years ago.
I also studied english at university many years ago as a duty when the target
was to know to understand  articles using a dictionary.

My talent is mainly for mathematics and not for languages.
I usually had 10 in mathematics and only 7 in english.

Uri



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