Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 10:08:08 07/15/01
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On July 15, 2001 at 12:57:28, Mark Young wrote: >On July 15, 2001 at 12:49:55, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On July 15, 2001 at 12:24:01, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On July 15, 2001 at 10:57:47, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On July 15, 2001 at 07:58:10, odell hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>Don't do what you did on the Van Diel Wiel match and Renig, you said if rebel >>>>>beat Van Der Wiel then computers are GM's , But you back out. >>>> >>>>First Dr. Hyatt is away for a week. So he won't even see you message! Didn't you >>>>read he was off for a holiday? >>>> >>>>Second, GM John van der Wiel played a very short match with Rebel Century, and >>>>the first time he'd ever lost a match to computer, and that was by a mere point. >>>> >>>>GM John van der Wiel is an excellent player but not a 2600+ GM, at least not at >>>>present. Yet he could turn a second match with Rebel Century around I'm sure. >>>>Not putting down Rebel, it's an excellent chess program, but not a World Class >>>>GM 2600+, at least not yet!;) >>>> >>>>Third, GM Huebner isn't a young man anymore, so I doubt he can play like he is! >>> >>>I don't understand your point. GM Huebner is a active Grandmaster with a current >>>Fide Rating of 2600+. So GM Huebner must play like a 2600+ Grandmaster at his >>>current age, since his rating is that good. >>Maybe, but I'm sure he fatigues more often than a 2600+ 20 year old GM with an >>equal rating. So he may have times when he performs below is rating. >> >>That's my point! >>> >>>If GM Huebner loses the match to Fritz, Fritz will have beaten a standing 2600+ >>>Fide Grandmaster. >> >> Yes that's true. But does it make Deep Fritz on a dual P-III with a Gig. of >>Ram, a Grandmaster? I don't believe so. > >Right, Grandmaster is only a title, but it is another nail in the coffen for >those who think the best programs are not of "GM strength". I agree! However, there is still much data to obtain to say with certainty that todays' programs are at the GM level. If you wish to be objective, scientific. Personally, I think that todays' programs run on very fast hardware are indeed, weak GM's! However not _World Class_ GM's;) > >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>Forth, do you know more than Professor Hyatt? Are you a programmer? Better yet >>>>are you a GM?? >>>> >>>>I don't know anything about you odell hall with the exception, you could show a >>>>little more respect! >>>> >>>>As for the todays' game GM Huebner played Black and brought about a draw on move >>>>23! >>>> >>>>So we'll see for fun how the rest of the very short match will go;) Myself, I >>>>don't think tiny matches such as these have any great value in determining >>>>whether a program has reached the GM level, only that these programs can give a >>>>GM a good fight, and may win from time to time. >>>> >>>>Give both technology and programming another 5 years and I believe by then we'll >>>>have _solid_ GM 2600+ chess playing monsters! >>>> >>>>Terry
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