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Subject: Re: does chessbase care about wb engines

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 15:23:56 07/16/01

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On July 16, 2001 at 17:30:43, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On July 16, 2001 at 06:35:07, CLiebert wrote:
>
>>On July 16, 2001 at 02:26:53, ERIQ wrote:
>>
>>>maybe the problem w/ chessbase interface and wb engines is that, bigbrother does
>>>not care about them performing at their best.
>>>
>>>Why should they ?! wb engines are free, they don't make money from them but they
>>>compete strongly w/ fritz,nimzo, etc. their *bread and butter* products.
>>>
>>>So if wb-engines somehow get dumbed down alittle great. I guess that justifys
>>>the price of "pro" engines.
>>>
>>>  sign,
>>>    Eriq
>>
>>
>>First: Why do you think CB put efforts in developing the adapter?
>
>To make lots and lots of money, I would suppose.  That's generally the purpose
>of writing code for commercial endeavors.  Sometimes, they might do something
>just to be nice.  Is that why CB wrote their adaptor?
>
>>Second: there are a lots of engines showing no difference in playing strenght.
>>If programmers a willing and able to optmize their engines for fritz they could
>>do this. Borgstädt did it for Goliath, Kai Skibbe for gromit, other examples are
>>Anmon, Faile or TCB. The Natives and wb-adapter-versions of these engines are
>>quite at the same level in pratice, did you try one of them?
>
>Let's see...
>5/(100+) seems to be a rather small ratio.
>I am curious to know why the existing, well-debugged Winboard protocol was not
>adopted as-is.  And even more interesting would be to know why CB protocol must
>send resets every so often.  Is there some purpose to this?  This defect has
>been known for many years.  Finally it was fixed recently and then immediately
>re-broken.  Seems a bit odd on the surface.
>
>>But if you like to hold on you big brother theories, feel free ...
>
>I don't know if it is sinister or not, but I am _personally_ convinced that the
>defects in the CB version of the Winboard adapter are purposeful, just as the
>defects in the RS232 adapter were also purposeful.  I am not sure if I can
>actually blame a company for trying to make their products look good at the
>expense of competitors, especially if the competition is free.
>
>It is well known (and incredibly obvious) that sending a reset command during
>play will not make for optimium performance.  Can anyone provide a logical
>explanation as to why this command is still sent by these tools?  Has there been
>insufficient time to remove this clear and obvious defect
>?

 It will be most interesting to read CLiebert's answers to your questions!
 Silence would IMO not be probable, since *that* response would really be
 way too unveiling...Why not "Yes, I guess you're correct in your criticism.
 We must have a look at this and within 3 months I can assure you of something
 way better."

 Sune



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