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Subject: problems in the GM level of play are being exposed in our times.

Author: K. Burcham

Date: 12:00:37 07/20/01



after reading all the expert posts here on comps and GMs,,,
and all the other info available now an the internet.
and my personal experience,  at ICC and chess.net with comps.


it seems we have the GM, and then we have the super GM.

but it also seems we are supposed to say that even with the GM
   or super GM, "if they get the program before a match, then---".
some say "the program lost because he used anti-comp tactics".
others say "GMs always study before a tournament with a comp".
some say that "there are even some GMs that don't own a program".
one very high rated player at chess.net, has in his notes, "I hate
computer programs, dont ask me to play your program".

program comments everywhere these days.

many opinions on the subject of GM vs comp.

   now with everyone owning 1000 mhz+, 1500 mhz are all over the internet now,
lots of dual processor workstations at  2000 mhz.
   it seems everyone has all the top programs and is an expert at using them.
   and with this forum answering all of our questions,,,
   the level of expertise of the computer chess program operator has increased
   dramatically. there are some at every server that can beat you at any
   time with their program.
   and not just the level of skill of the these operators, the number of
   these expert program operators has increased also.

   so my point here is that all of these GM games are being analysed
   by more individuals, with super badfast hardware and with totally amazing
   programs. are these programs GM level?  well we all have our opinions.
   in the past the level of analysis of these top games by GMs was at the
   same level as the chess person doing the analysis.
   if you were an expert--you got an expert level of analysis.
   if you were an IM---you got an IMs level of analysis.
   sometime in the past we would see an article in a magazine by a GM,
   analysing a world championship game. what were we getting back then?
   back then it didnt matter, this guy was a GM, so we didnt question his
   game anaylsis.
   but now it is different....
   the GM level of play is being exposed. yes i know, some here said they
   already knew this. that the GM could blunder at anytime. that the GM
   can play into a position that he will lose a piece and the game.
   but there are a lot of chess enthusiasts that are analysing these GM
   games with their own programs at home, and witnessing the GM shortcomings
   for themselves. we get to see at our own computer what the program would
   have played. we can play with a position from one of these top games,
   and try different moves to see the score change. each individual GM move
   can be studied and changed like never before. it can be viewed with the
   convenience of a monitor. we have at our disposal, instant position replays.

   dont get me wrong---these GMs are the baddest of the bad.
   they have been blessed with advanced brain chess cells.
   and yes i do know my level of play has its limitations.

   i am beginning to think that the top programs with the hardware that is
   available today, are passing through the GM level of play.
   i think we better enjoy all the controversy while we can, this wont
   last too long.

   have you ever had a teacher, coach, or mentor, explain something to you?
   and then you told him or her, "ohhhh now i see what you mean".
   or you might say to the teacher, "could you explain that again".

   how many GMs study their own losses with a program?
   and then they say in the privacy of their own home, "ohhhh now i see what
   you mean".  probably more than we think are doing this---and those that
   aren't---will lose to those that are.

   yes i know we all have one,,,, no not that.      an opinion.
   these are some of mine, but they seem to be changing as i get older.

   kburcham













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