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Subject: Re: i never say "program blunder", this is the first one i have experienced

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:31:22 07/20/01

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On July 20, 2001 at 22:30:42, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>we all have lots of losses with our programs.
>but this was the first blunder that i have experienced with any program.
>check out 26...Qa7.
>
>this was a 5/5 game.
>time for shredder5 was set on 8 seconds per move.
>i could not get shredder5 to play this move again.
>now it is sober and  it wants 26...Qc8.
>must be the fumes off my cheap homemade beer.
>
>i think i will format and reload shredder5.
>and pour out the beer.
>
>
>
>[Event "program blunder"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2001.07.20"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "gambit tiger 2.0"]
>[Black "shredder 5"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. d4 {0s} Nf6 {book 0s} 2. Bg5 {7s} Ne4 {book 0s} 3. Bf4
>{6s} c5 {book 0s} 4. f3 {7s} Qa5+ {book 0s} 5. c3 {8s} Nf6
>{book 0s} 6. d5 {7s} Qb6 {book 0s} 7. b3 {7s} g6 {book 0s}
>8. e4 {6s} d6 {-0.68/10 8s} 9. Bd3 {8s} Bg7 {-0.23/11 8s}
>10. Ne2 {7s} Nbd7 {-0.68/10 8s} 11. a4 {20s} O-O {-0.61/10
>8s} 12. Nd2 {43s} Ne5 {-0.79/10 8s} 13. Nc4 {12s} Nxc4
>{-0.41/11 8s} 14. Bxc4 {12s} Nd7 {-0.32/11 8s} 15. a5 {15s}
>Qc7 {-0.33/11 8s} 16. O-O {17s} Ne5 {-0.29/11 8s} 17. Bxe5
>{9s} Bxe5 {-0.23/13 8s} 18. f4 {13s} Bg7 {-0.07/12 8s}
>19. f5 {13s} gxf5 {+0.02/11 8s} 20. exf5 {12s} Bd7
>{+0.03/11 8s} 21. Qd2 {20s} b5 {+0.20/11 8s} 22. axb6 {12s}
>axb6 {+0.08/11 8s} 23. Rxa8 {21s} Rxa8 {+0.22/11 8s}
>24. Ng3 {6s} b5 {-0.15/11 8s} 25. Nh5 {13s} Be5 {-0.47/10
>8s} 26. Qh6 {14s} Qa7 {-7.65/7 8s} 27. f6 {13s} Bxf6
>{-M4/14 8s} 28. Rxf6 {11s} Qa1+ {-M3/15 8s} 29. Bf1 {10s}
>Qxf1+ {-M2/17 8s} 30. Rxf1 {10s} Ra2 {-M1/13 8s} 1-0
>
>  [D] r5k1/2qbpp1p/3p3Q/1ppPbP1N/2B5/1PP5/6PP/5RK1 b - - 0 1

Play enough blitz, and you'll see plenty of blunders.  The faster the games, the
more commical the moves.  Have a look at some of these games, and you will see
plenty of moves that will curl your toes:
ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/The%20Gauntlet/calibration/quick/

It appears that this position has some snags under the surface.  It might be
interesting to give it a good long pounding.  It appears that Qc8 is also
losing.

Crafty v18.10

White(1): st 240
search time set to 240.00.
White(1): epdpfga err.epd err.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1
middle-game phase
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 4:00 (4:00)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
                6->   0.20  -3.16   1. ... bxc4 2. f6 Bxf6 3. Rxf6 Ra1+
                                    4. Rf1 Rxf1+ 5. Kxf1 cxb3
                7     0.34     --   1. ... bxc4
                7     0.51  Mat05   1. ... bxc4 2. f6 Bxf6 3. Rxf6 Ra1+
                                    4. Rf1 Rxf1+ 5. Kxf1 cxb3 6. Qg7#
                7     0.61     ++   1. ... Kh8!!
                7     1.58   6.91   1. ... Kh8 2. f6 Bxf6 3. Nxf6 Bf5 4.
                                    Rxf5 Ra1+ 5. Bf1 Rxf1+ 6. Kxf1 exf6
                7     1.70     ++   1. ... Ra2!!
                7     2.50   6.34   1. ... Ra2 2. f6 Bxf6 3. Bd3 Bf5 4.
                                    Bxf5 Rb2 5. Bxh7+ Kh8 6. Bf5+ Kg8
                7     2.56     ++   1. ... Qb7!!
                7     3.12   5.79   1. ... Qb7 2. f6 Bxf6 3. Bd3 Bf5 4.
                                    Bxf5 Bxc3 5. Bxh7+ Kh8 6. Rxf7 Qxd5
                7     3.17     ++   1. ... Ra3!!
                7     3.80   1.41   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qg8 5. Qxg8+ Kxg8 6. Bd3 Bxc3
                7     5.54     ++   1. ... Bh8!!
                7->   6.01   1.02   1. ... Bh8
                8     6.08     --   1. ... Bh8
                8     6.41   2.17   1. ... Bh8 2. Qg5+ Kf8 3. f6 Bc8 4.
                                    Bxb5 exf6 5. Nxf6 Bxf6 6. Rxf6 Ra2
                8     6.90     ++   1. ... Qd8!!
                8     7.24   1.38   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qe8 5. Bd3 Bxc3 6. Be4 Ra2
                8->   9.50   1.38   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qe8 5. Bd3 Bxc3 6. Be4 Ra2
                9    10.05   1.28   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qe8 5. Bd3 Bxc3 6. Kh1 Ra2 7.
                                    Kg1
                9->  13.96   1.28   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qe8 5. Bd3 Bxc3 6. Kh1 Ra2 7.
                                    Kg1
               10    16.10   1.08   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qg8 5. Qxg8+ Kxg8 6. Bd3 Bxc3
                                    7. Kf2 Ra2+ 8. Kf3 Be8
               10->  21.36   1.08   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qg8 5. Qxg8+ Kxg8 6. Bd3 Bxc3
                                    7. Kf2 Ra2+ 8. Kf3 Be8
               11    25.42   1.04   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qg8 5. Qxg8+ Kxg8 6. Bd3 Bxc3
                                    7. Rf3 Re8 8. Rg3+ Kh8 9. Bc2
               11->  34.82   1.04   1. ... Qd8 2. f6 Qf8 3. Qg5+ Kh8 4.
                                    fxe7 Qg8 5. Qxg8+ Kxg8 6. Bd3 Bxc3
                                    7. Rf3 Re8 8. Rg3+ Kh8 9. Bc2
               12    38.11     --   1. ... Qd8
              time=4:01  cpu=99%  mat=0  n=152552398  fh=98%  nps=632k
              ext-> chk=14341040 cap=348152 pp=370977 1rep=2123692 mate=40954
              predicted=0  nodes=152552398  evals=5995335
              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
              hashing-> trans/ref=34%  pawn=15%  used=97%
Black(1):

YACE:
DBBOOK101 100000 128 20 ff 251465
Illegal move (garbage at beginning of move): auto_log
hash size wanted 32000000
entries 2666666 size 31999992 size_wanted 32000000 ok 1 tts3 888885
egtb cache size 8388608
5-men endgame table bases found
irepcheck = 0.75
irecapture = 0.75
null_low = 2.50
white ( 1): st 240
white ( 1): test err.ci
title position 1
solution  Qa7?
usetime = 239.00, mintime = 239.00 maxtime = 239.00 tl 239.00 ml 0
        17 0.002   3.38  1t : b5xc4 [340]
        56 0.008   3.38  1. : b5xc4 [340]
       211 0.014   3.43  2t : b5xc4 b3xc4 Be5xc3 [340]
       524 0.020   3.43  2. : b5xc4 b3xc4 Be5xc3 [340]
      3235 0.030   2.93  3--: Be5xc3 Qh6g5+ Kg8f8 Qg5h6+ Bc3g7 [110]
      3735 0.033   2.67  3t : b5xc4 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 b3xc4 [240]
      4013 0.038   2.67  3. : b5xc4 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 b3xc4 [240]
     10856 0.060   2.64  4t : b5xc4 b3xc4 Qc7d8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 Qg5e3 [240]
     19980 0.080   2.64  4. : b5xc4 b3xc4 Qc7d8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 Qg5e3 [240]
     95097 0.264   2.14  5--: b5xc4 f5f6 Be5xf6 Rf1xf6 Qc7d8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 [110]
    111959 0.319  -0.96  5t : b5xc4 f5f6 Be5xf6 Rf1xf6 Ra8a1+ Kg1f2 Ra1a2+
                              Kf2f3 Bd7g4+ Kf3xg4 c4xb3 [-120]
    119959 0.344  -0.95  5t+: Be5xc3 Qh6g5+ Kg8f8 Qg5h6+ Kf8e8 Bc4d3 Bc3d4+
                              Kg1h1 [110]
    160763 0.459   1.63  5t : Be5xc3 f5f6 Bc3d4+ Kg1h1 Bd4xf6 Nh5xf6+ e7xf6
                              [200]
    173916 0.502   1.63  5. : Be5xc3 f5f6 Bc3d4+ Kg1h1 Bd4xf6 Nh5xf6+ e7xf6
                              [200]
    403302 1.091   1.13  6--: Be5xc3 f5f6 Bc3d4+ Kg1h1 Bd4xf6 Bc4d3 Bf6d4
                              Bd3xh7+H [110]
    465589 1.263  -0.34  6t : Be5xc3 f5f6 Bc3d4+ Kg1h1 Bd4xf6 Bc4d3 Ra8a2
                              Nh5xf6+ e7xf6 Qh6xh7+ Kg8f8 Rf1xf6 [0]
   1225753 3.329  -0.33  6t+: Be5h8 Qh6g5+ Kg8f8 f5f6 e7xf6 Kg1f2 [110]
   1271055 3.460  -0.17  6t : Be5h8 f5f6 e7xf6 Bc4d3 f6f5 Qh6g5+ Kg8f8 Bd3xf5
                              Bh8xc3 Bf5xh7 [10]
   1271055 3.467  -0.17  6. : Be5h8 f5f6 e7xf6 Bc4d3 f6f5 Qh6g5+ Kg8f8 Bd3xf5
                              Bh8xc3 Bf5xh7 [10]
   2132164 5.701  -0.66  7t+: Qc7d8 f5f6 Qd8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 Qg5g7+ Qf8xg7
                              Rf1a1 Ra8xa1+ Kg1f2 [1510]
   2150851 5.757  -0.57  7t : Qc7d8 f5f6 Qd8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Nh5f6
                              Qe8xe7 Nf6xh7 Qe7xg5 Nh7xg5 b5xc4 Ng5xf7+ Kh8h7
                              Nf7xe5 d6xe5 b3xc4 [30]
   2444682 6.584  -0.57  7. : Qc7d8 f5f6 Qd8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Nh5f6
                              Qe8xe7 Nf6xh7 Qe7xg5 Nh7xg5 b5xc4 Ng5xf7+ Kh8h7
                              Nf7xe5 d6xe5 b3xc4 [30]
   2622762 6.997  -0.64  8t : Qc7d8 f5f6 Qd8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4d3
                              Be5xc3 Qg5h6 [10]
   4239270 11.00  -0.63  8t+: Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4xb5
                              Bd7xb5 Kg1h1 [140]
   4357202 11.29  -0.58  8t : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4d3
                              Be5xc3 Qg5h6 Bc3d4+ Kg1h1 [10]
   4990177 12.96  -0.58  8. : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4d3
                              Be5xc3 Qg5h6 Bc3d4+ Kg1h1 [10]
  14597811 37.22  -1.08  9--: Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4d3
                              Be5xh2+ Kg1xh2 h7h6 Qg5xh6+ Kh8g8 [-420]
  15630930 39.97  -1.14  9t : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8g8
                              Qg5xg8+ Kh8xg8 Bc4e2 Be5xc3 Nh5f6+ Bc3xf6 Rf1xf6
                              [0]
  19419834 50.52  -1.14  9. : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8g8
                              Qg5xg8+ Kh8xg8 Bc4e2 Be5xc3 Nh5f6+ Bc3xf6 Rf1xf6
                              [0]
  23062400 59.57  -1.47 10t : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8g8
                              Qg5xg8+ Kh8xg8 Nh5f6+ Be5xf6 Rf1xf6 b5xc4 Rf6xd6
                              Bd7e8 b3xc4 <HT> [30]
  46342323 118.7  -1.47 10. : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8g8
                              Qg5xg8+ Kh8xg8 Nh5f6+ Be5xf6 Rf1xf6 b5xc4 Rf6xd6
                              Bd7e8 b3xc4 <HT> [30]
  54050785 138.2  -1.52 11t : Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4d3
                              f7f5 Bd3xf5 Bd7xf5 Rf1xf5 Ra8a1+ Rf5f1 Ra1xf1+
                              Kg1xf1 Be5xc3 <HT> [-90]
  92812000 239.0  -1.52 11u.: Qc7c8 f5f6 Qc8f8 Qh6g5+ Kg8h8 f6xe7 Qf8e8 Bc4d3
                              f7f5 Bd3xf5 Bd7xf5 Rf1xf5 Ra8a1+ Rf5f1 Ra1xf1+
                              Kg1xf1 Be5xc3 <HT> [-90]
92812000 Nodes, 35.28% Leavenodes, 388349 Nodes/sec
65675676 eval, 43.61% score, 449744622 genmoves, 15.89% captures le 316/221
ext: pawn 138775, rcp 295695, chk 3799882, repchk 737759, null 51245, prune
4415043
htable: 73669466 store, 1995092 rejected, 91118856 probe, 20534515 found
entries 2666658 age 0 rate 1333328 clock 1333328 renew 0 rehash 2
egtb probes 0, found 0
ok after 0.00 sec
test_nodes 17 l 0
  1 tested,   1 found,   0 mates
92812000 nodes, 32747286 leavenodes in 239.12 sec 388133 n/s
test nodes 17 win nodes 17 mate nodes 0
win time 0.00 mate time 0.00 av depth 10.000 (nm 10.000) maxdepth 42, tu 1239
log(win_nodes) = 1.23045 log(win_time) = -2.69897
white ( 1):

Phalanx:
r5k1/2qbpp1p/3p3Q/1ppPbP1N/2B5/1PP5/6PP/5RK1 b - -
    -> soft time limit 171.42 s
    -> hard time limit 3199.86 s
  8   -100   185   370130  Qc7-c8  Pf5-f6  Qc8-f8
  8 ->   0:02.12   414074   0 turns
  9   -100   568  1101321  Qc7-c8  Pf5-f6  Qc8-f8  Qh6-g5  Kg8-h8  Pf6xe7
                           Qf8-e8  Rf1-f6  Qe8-g8
  9 ->   0:13.81  2460225   0 turns
 10    -71  2845  5522536  Qc7-c8  Pf5-f6  Qc8-f8  Qh6-g5  Kg8-h8  Pf6xe7
                           Qf8-e8  Rf1-f6  Qe8-g8  Qg5xg8  Kh8xg8  Bc4-f1
                           Ra8-e8
 10 ->   0:45.91  8356725   0 turns
 11   -104  6676 12232708  Qc7-c8  Pf5-f6  Qc8-f8  Qh6-g5  Kg8-h8  Pf6xe7
                           Qf8-g8  Qg5xg8  Kh8xg8  Bc4-d3  Be5xc3  Nh5-f6
                           Bc3xf6  Rf1xf6  Ra8-e8
 11 ->   2:28.34 25264855   0 turns
 12    -95 22292 39198482  Qc7-c8  Pf5-f6  Qc8-f8  Qh6-g5  Kg8-h8  Pf6xe7
                           Qf8-g8  Qg5xg8  Ra8xg8  Bc4-d3  Pf7-f5  Rf1-f3
                           Rg8-e8  Bd3xf5  Re8xe7  Bf5xd7  Re7xd7
 12 ->   6:36.70 66884223   0 turns
Depth=12, Value=-95, Time=396.70, Last turn=0.23, Nodes=66884223, N/s=168601
PV = Qc7-c8  Pf5-f6  Qc8-f8  Qh6-g5  Kg8-h8  Pf6xe7  Qf8-g8  Qg5xg8
     Ra8xg8  Bc4-d3  Pf7-f5  Rf1-f3  Rg8-e8  Bd3xf5  Re8xe7  Bf5xd7
     Re7xd7




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