Author: Mark Young
Date: 02:06:26 07/24/01
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On July 23, 2001 at 16:42:34, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On July 23, 2001 at 14:37:15, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On July 23, 2001 at 07:20:01, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>I am back after summer holiday - no internet access in almost 5 weeks. Can You >>>equal this? >>> >>>I found this result from Chessbase side and I am really disappointed for Fritz >>>performance with 2*1000Mhz. This program hasn't any chance against 2800 Kramnik. >>>Can they cancel match may be as uninteresting? Or change to Chess Tiger 14... >> >>3:3 result against one of the best players in the world is nothing short of >>phenomenal. The program did better than I expected. >> >>The new match will be on 4x more powerful hardware, adding about 100 ELO. >> >>I don't think any result is cast in stone yet. >> >>I expect Kramnik to win, but any tiny slip could change that. > >Hi Dann, > >OK, Deep Fritz have better hardware but it is enough for a match against Kramnik >with 2.800 ELO. I don`t know. > >I saw in the online match Deep Shredder vs. The World (see the log files) that >maybe more hardware power is not sooo important. So I think that with a program >with the actual hardware (for example: Athlon 1Ghz) get not 60-70 ELO more >compare to a Athlon with 2Ghz. Maybe against a GM 20-40 ELO, I believe 20 ELO !! > >I believe Deep Fritz, or Chess Tiger, Junior, Shredder or Gandalf have no chance >in a long match against Kramnik. But the best chance have a program with a lot >of chess knowledge. > >I mean, for an example against a Grandmaster: >Deep Fritz tactical strength = 3.000 ELO >Deep Fritz postional strength = 2.350 ELO >Deep Fritz endgame strength = 2.500 ELO > >Deep Shredder tactical strength = 2.900 ELO >Deep Shredder positional strength = 2.400 ELO >Deep Shredder endgame strength = 2.550 ELO > >Not important is 100 ELO more in tactical stenght but 50 ELO more in positional >strenght is important in combination with tactical strength. > >So I think the best chance against Kramnik have: >- World Champion Shredder >- Hiarcs 7 or better 8 :-)) >- Gandalf 4.32g >- Maybe Rebel Century, Virtual Chess or Chess Tiger. > >Furthermore, only the World Champion Shredder against Kramnik is interesting. >Other programs are for me not interesting. > >We have a World Champion, a program which won 3x the World Championschip, so we >have not one reason to play with Fritz !! > >Absolutly clear !! >People can write x reasons for a match Kramnik - Tiger or Kramnik - Fritz. All >is not important. Important is that Shredder won 3x the Computer Chess World >Championchip. > >Best >Frank 1. You put to much weight into the Computer Chess World Championship. IMO 2. It was my understanding Shredder could have played, but chose not to enter. 3. Shredder is out of the picture, So all we have to write about is Fritz, as Fritz beat Junior for the right to play GM Kramnik. 4. I have little doubt that Fritz is as good if not better then Shredder in all aspects of the game.
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