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Subject: Re: Any opinions on overall strongest: Tiger 14 or Gambit Tiger 2 ?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 07:43:59 07/24/01

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On July 24, 2001 at 09:51:08, Chessfun wrote:

>On July 24, 2001 at 01:14:39, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On July 23, 2001 at 17:25:55, G. R. Morton wrote:
>>
>>>I seem to have mixed impressions from some of the Info I've read. Opinions?
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>SSDF *pretends* that GambitTiger 2 is stronger,
>
>They don't "pretend" their results and others suggest it is so.


This is twisting words, you know what I meant.


> but see that they test
>>ChessTiger 14 in the Chessbase-version
>
>As I recall from beta testing this was Christophe's idea.


I know.


>which has NO ADJUSTED opening book in
>>opposite to the Chesspartner-version.
>
>While it may not have an adjusted book it has a better book learner.


But it takes some games so that learning works.


> And the difference between them in SSDF is
>>marginal,
>
>That is true, as it also likely is, if you compute the ratings from your games.


Sure, never meant anythng else.


> so, in spite of less games I think that my tourney says more the
>>"truth"
>
>huh, did I miss something. You play a few games and that says more of
>the truth. This dispite the fact that you previously posted that if you
>played more games you would likely get totally different results.


Please read carefully. I *probably* get different results if I'd replay the
games. BUT it also might be possible that I get the same percentage result after
500 games as I did after 10 games. I might get a 6-4 after 10 games. 10 more
games give a 4-6, but after 500 games it steps back to 300-200.
And BTW, if you'd take a look at the games, you'd see what is/was going on on
the board.


>than SSDF because in my comparison both Tigers play the same opponents
>>(did they in SSDF? I don't think so)
>
>Again as you have yourself said, the limited number of games your playing
>leads even you to believe that with more games you would have totally different
>results. So the fact your playing the same opponents is meaningless.


For you, not for me. It is one important point for real comparison. The only
condition for a 100% comparison I couldn't realize is that I am not able to
replay the same openings with the autoplayers. The ONLY way to *compare* two
programs is to play the same opponents with the same openings. Part two is what
is not fulfilled in my tourney. But I don't mind, I see enough. And all what is
written in the 5 lines above is NOT the issue of SSDF.


> and both are the Chesspasrtner-versions
>>WITH ADJUSTED opening books.
>
>As you seem to take issue in other posts with learning, are you re-setting
>Tigers CP learning after each match? If not then why take issue of others
>not doing so?.
>Sarah.


Sure I reset ALL learning, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense because I would
favour one side.




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