Author: Harald Faber
Date: 07:55:29 07/24/01
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On July 24, 2001 at 09:14:43, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On July 24, 2001 at 08:22:08, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On July 24, 2001 at 07:48:06, Tony Hedlund wrote: >> >>>On July 24, 2001 at 05:17:48, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>For Tony: Do you reset the weights in the opening book before you start new >>>>matches or do you take over the learned move preferences from former matches? >>> >>>I don't reset the opening book. >> >> >>Aha! This is one of the most important statements I have read since months. >> >> >>>But for the matches I now play it doesn't matter. In the first match, Deep Fritz >>>- Tiger 14 CB 20-20, DP was on my "left computer". In the present match, >>>Gambit Tiger 2 CP - Deep Fritz 18-21(so far), DP is on my "right computer". So >>>Deep Fritz didn't learn anything from Tiger 14 CB. But in the next match, Gambit >>>Tiger 2 CP - Tiger 14 CB, both programs have had the possibility to learn from >>>Deep Fritz. >> >> >>It is not only that DeepFritz cannot have learned from Tiger 14 to use it for >>the current match, but DeepFritz *already* has learned from former opponents. So >>if you play DeepFritz (or any other program) which has learned from say 100 >>games, versus a new entry, the new program definitely has a disadvantage because >>it has no learned values. >> >> >>>So in that sence we honours the best learner, which probably also is >>>the best program. >> >> >>Uhh, IMO this is nonsense. Oh, sorry, yes, it is the best *program*, but not the >>strongest *engine*. I don't deny that learning also counts to a program like the >>opening book, but at the moment I see a much too high value for effective >>bookleraning. One might fear that in near future several programmers will >>concentrate on *very* effective booklearning (Hi Christophe, how far is yours?) >>instead of improving the engine. Please prove me wrong... >> >> >>>Tony > >Hi! > >Tiger Chessbase have the same learning as Deep Fritz. And of course a winning >line against A can often be a losing line against B. Can you give evidence for this? It CAN be a losing line, but how often does it happen? >I think it should suit you if you at least pretended to be impartial when you >comment on matches and programs. Of course everyone is subjective in his opinions. :-) Maybe I am really on the wrong way assuming that (Deep)Fritz cannot play chess. :-) >In my last match Tiger14 won the last 8 games in a row against Hiarcs7.32, the >results in the first 30 games wasn't particularly good for Tiger, I guess that >you don't complain in this case or..... >Bertil Sorry, it didn't come to my attention. But it is strange too. I have seen 4 wins in a row myself, but *8* wins is a lot, especially vs. another top program. Could you send those games to me or are they to download somewhere? TIA!
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