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Subject: Re: Hubner - Fritz: 3-3 is really disappointing !

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 09:17:15 07/24/01

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On July 24, 2001 at 05:06:26, Mark Young wrote:

>On July 23, 2001 at 16:42:34, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>On July 23, 2001 at 14:37:15, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On July 23, 2001 at 07:20:01, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am back after summer holiday - no internet access in almost 5 weeks. Can You
>>>>equal this?
>>>>
>>>>I found this result from Chessbase side and I am really disappointed for Fritz
>>>>performance with 2*1000Mhz. This program hasn't any chance against 2800 Kramnik.
>>>>Can they cancel match may be as uninteresting? Or change to Chess Tiger 14...
>>>
>>>3:3 result against one of the best players in the world is nothing short of
>>>phenomenal.  The program did better than I expected.
>>>
>>>The new match will be on 4x more powerful hardware, adding about 100 ELO.
>>>
>>>I don't think any result is cast in stone yet.
>>>
>>>I expect Kramnik to win, but any tiny slip could change that.
>>
>>Hi Dann,
>>
>>OK, Deep Fritz have better hardware but it is enough for a match against Kramnik
>>with 2.800 ELO. I don`t know.
>>
>>I saw in the online match Deep Shredder vs. The World (see the log files) that
>>maybe more hardware power is not sooo important. So I think that with a program
>>with the actual hardware (for example: Athlon 1Ghz) get not 60-70 ELO more
>>compare to a Athlon with 2Ghz. Maybe against a GM 20-40 ELO, I believe 20 ELO !!
>>
>>I believe Deep Fritz, or Chess Tiger, Junior, Shredder or Gandalf have no chance
>>in a long match against Kramnik. But the best chance have a program with a lot
>>of chess knowledge.
>>
>>I mean, for an example against a Grandmaster:
>>Deep Fritz tactical strength = 3.000 ELO
>>Deep Fritz postional strength = 2.350 ELO
>>Deep Fritz endgame strength = 2.500 ELO
>>
>>Deep Shredder tactical strength = 2.900 ELO
>>Deep Shredder positional strength = 2.400 ELO
>>Deep Shredder endgame strength = 2.550 ELO
>>
>>Not important is 100 ELO more in tactical stenght but 50 ELO more in positional
>>strenght is important in combination with tactical strength.
>>
>>So I think the best chance against Kramnik have:
>>- World Champion Shredder
>>- Hiarcs 7 or better 8 :-))
>>- Gandalf 4.32g
>>- Maybe Rebel Century, Virtual Chess or Chess Tiger.
>>
>>Furthermore, only the World Champion Shredder against Kramnik is interesting.
>>Other programs are for me not interesting.
>>
>>We have a World Champion, a program which won 3x the World Championschip, so we
>>have not one reason to play with Fritz !!
>>
>>Absolutly clear !!
>>People can write x reasons for a match Kramnik - Tiger or Kramnik - Fritz. All
>>is not important. Important is that Shredder won 3x the Computer Chess World
>>Championchip.
>>
>>Best
>>Frank
>
>1. You put to much weight into the Computer Chess World Championship. IMO
>
>2. It was my understanding Shredder could have played, but chose not to enter.
>
>3. Shredder is out of the picture, So all we have to write about is Fritz, as
>Fritz beat Junior for the right to play GM Kramnik.
>
>4. I have little doubt that Fritz is as good if not better then Shredder in all
>aspects of the game.

Hi,

I saw enough, played enough games.
Sorry I have an other opinion.

Best
Frank



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