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Subject: Re: I insist: CSTAL is great but nobody seems to care... (Sinatra)

Author: Mark Young

Date: 15:36:14 05/06/98

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On May 06, 1998 at 17:21:06, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>On May 06, 1998 at 16:03:32, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>Im sorry to say, but the reason nobody seems to care is that CSTAL is a
>>weak program. Yes the program has its good points. But when you look at
>>the whole program it does not play strong chess. It does not play well
>>against strong humans or computers. The only reason I know that people
>>like it is because it does play a human style and the program is
>>beatable.
>>
>>I think CSTAL is a bold step in computer chess programing. I hope the
>>program will keep getting better.
>
>
>Hi Mark:
>Naturally, I fully rejects your notion of CSTAL being "weak". Maybe it
>is so compared with computers, but not againts human chess players.
>Perhaps this is a matter of definitions and experiences: my definition
>of strenght in a game is not a degree of perfection in sheer analytical
>terms, but of results. And MY experience against CSTAL is that I feel it
>a lot stronger than other more perfect programs that does not commit so
>much mistakes BUT also does not push you against the ropes until you
>breakdown and commits a worst mistake than CSTAL and you lose.  I get a
>lot better results against Junior than against CSTAL. Junior is the
>champ, but his kind of game let me room to manouvre and do my thing;
>CSTAL does not. At the end I get many draws and victories against Fritz
>5, the top program according SSDF; against CSTAL I have got only loses.
>So, it is very strong to me. Matter of styles. Perhaps you have the
>opposite experience.
>Cheers
>Fernando

I agree with you. I was giving my take on why people seem not to care.
People want programs that win playing computers and humans. I do think
CSTAL is strong,
but the program does need more tactical speed.




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