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Subject: Re: just an "answer"

Author: Oliver Roese

Date: 11:14:08 07/26/01

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On July 26, 2001 at 09:46:22, Albert Silver wrote:

>On July 26, 2001 at 09:38:21, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On July 26, 2001 at 09:30:33, Oliver Roese wrote:
>>
>>>On July 26, 2001 at 07:07:50, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]4r2k/1p4p1/p1bQ3p/8/2P2P2/1P3P1P/P5K1/3Rq1N1 b - - 0 36
>>>>
>>>>Hi Antonio,
>>>>
>>>>This is a very interesting position indeed.
>>>>I assume I would play 36?Re2+ here, and end up nowhere.
>>>>
>>>You wouldnt, since it is a forced mate after
>>>36...Re2 37.Nxe2 Qxe2 38.Kg1 Qe3+
>>
>>but not after 38.Kg3
>>
>
>
>In fact 36...Re2 37.Nxe2 Qxe2 draws on both moves:
>
>
>a) 38.Kg1 Qe3+ 39.Kf1 Qxf3+ 40.Ke1 Qe3+ etc.
>b) 38.Kg3 Qxf3+ 40.Kh4 Qf2+ 41.Kg4 Qf3+ etc.
>
>                          Albert
>

You are right and gave me the answer i deserve.
36...Re2+ is bad and forgives blacks advantage.
Next time i will use a chessengine _before_ i post here.
From your profile i see, you are a strong player.
I explored the position a bit nevertheless, but could not find a hidden snag.
If white opts for a draw, he should choose 38.Kg1... In this line black should
force the draw soon.
After 38.Kg3 black has more opportunities here and there but a convincing
continuation is hard to find, if any.

Oliver

>>
>>>
>>>Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>>>The sequence  after Bxf3: 37. Kxf3 Re3+ 38. Kg4 Qg3+ 39. Kf5 Kh7 is forced, I
>>>>think.
>>>>The basic problem is that the white queen can't move, as it has to prevent mate
>>>>on g6. If you want to hold on to that extra knight, the only way to do is
>>>>shuffle your pawns at the white queenside as the rest of the pieces have to sit
>>>>as quiet as possible. But that *always* leads to the manoeuvre ...Qg2 and ..Qc2+
>>>>
>>>>I think Noonian works the same and tried to hold on to this advantage by playing
>>>>40.c5, but as far as I can see the only way to prevent this manoeuvering of the
>>>>queen is giving up the knight and shielding the king with the rook: 40.Rd5 and
>>>>41. Re5, and the king has an extra field to hide (e6!) when black would play Qg2
>>>>and Qc2+. (In that case white has an extra knigth and of course is winning).
>>>>So in this case I think **40.c5?** is the culprit.
>>>>
>>>>After 40.Rd5 black should take back the knight with 40...Qxg1 and 41.Re5 and
>>>>black has advantage, although I don't know if it's enough to win.
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/1p4pk/p2Q3p/4RK2/2P2P2/1P2r2P/P7/6q1 b - - 0 40
>>>>
>>>>J.



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