Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:05:56 07/30/01
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On July 30, 2001 at 17:19:13, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>On July 29, 2001 at 12:35:38, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On July 29, 2001 at 06:14:35, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>Chess Curiosities by Tim Krabbé you can find on his Homepage. After yesterday
>>>you can find new curios Anti-computerchess games!
>>>
>>>Thanks Tim! I agree all your comments, and your game against Century with ( you
>>>say :) "Nemeth-Gambit" is very interesting!
>>>
>>>http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/chess.html
>>>
>>>and click to "Open Chess diary".
>>>
>>>I find Tim’s homepage wonderful:
>>>
>>>http://www.timkrabbe.nl
>>>
>>>
>>>I play a another curios game against Deep Shredder!
>>>
>>>Position after move two from white:
>>>
>>>
>>>[D]rnbqkbnr/pppp1ppp/8/4p3/4P3/5Q2/PPPP1PPP/RNB1KBNR b KQkq -
>>>
>>>The game:
>>>
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz30',P600,128MB"]
>>>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Nemeth,Eduard"]
>>>[Black "Deep Shredder"]
>>>[ECO "C20"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 {0s} e5 {Buch 0s} 2. Qf3 {3s (Sf3)} Nf6 {+0.43/12
>>>26s} 3. Bc4 {1:13m (Sc3)} Nc6 {+0.48/12 42s} 4. c3 {1s
>>>(Sc3)} Be7 {+0.77/12 43s} 5. b4 {5s (Dg3)} O-O {+0.69/12
>>>50s} 6. d3 {5s} d6 {+0.54/11 32s} 7. h3 {4s (Dg3)} Be6
>>>{+0.65/11 30s} 8. Bxe6 {3s} fxe6 {+0.49/10 1s} 9. Qe2 {3s
>>>(Dg3)} a5 {+0.35/12 44s} 10. b5 {2s} Na7 {+0.19/13 48s}
>>>11. a4 {3s} c6 {+0.08/12 40s} 12. bxc6 {2s} bxc6 {+0.07/12
>>>31s} 13. Nf3 {1s} Nc8 {+0.02/12 32s} 14. O-O {21s} c5
>>>{-0.06/11 8s} 15. Na3 {26s (d4)} Nb6 {-0.12/10 9s} 16. Nb5
>>>{3s (Ld2)} Nfd7 {-0.32/11 1:35m} 17. c4 {3s (Td1)} Nb8
>>>{+0.16/10 11s} 18. Be3 {6s (h4)} Nc6 {+0.08/11 14s}
>>>19. Rfd1 {5s (Sd2)} Nb4 {+0.16/11 23s} 20. Bd2 {13s (Sd2)}
>>>Qd7 {+0.19/11 46s} 21. Ra3 {10s} Rab8 {+0.19/11 19s}
>>>22. Rb1 {7s} Qe8 {+0.19/11 26s} 23. Nc3 {4s (Tab3)} Qg6
>>>{+0.23/11 41s} 24. Nb5 {3s} Ra8 {+0.23/10 24s} 25. Be3 {3s}
>>>Rad8 {+0.19/11 27s} 26. Nc3 {3s (Tab3)} Nd7 {+0.20/11 19s}
>>>27. Nb5 {3s} Rf7 {+0.19/11 21s} 28. Nc3 {2s (Sh2)} Nxd3
>>>{+0.31/11 24s} 29. Qxd3 {5s} Rxf3 {+0.58/11 1s} 30. Kh2
>>>{26s (Tb5)} Rff8 {+0.67/10 13s} 31. Rab3 {18s} Qe8
>>>{+0.56/10 1s} 32. Rb5 {8s} Ra8 {+0.32/11 7s} 33. Rb7 {12s}
>>>Ra6 {+0.35/11 16s} 34. Qd1 {32s} Qd8 {+0.23/11 0s} 35. Qg4
>>>{30s (Db3)} Rf6 {-0.25/11 13s} 36. Nd5 {6s} Rg6 {-0.84/11
>>>14s} 37. Nxe7+ {1s} Qxe7 {-5.61/12 1:53m} 38. Rxd7 {6s} Qe8
>>>{-6.37/12 2:06m} 39. Qh4 {5s} Ra8 {-6.81/11 10s} 40. Rxd6
>>>{3s} Rf6 {-6.95/11 23s} 1-0
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Eduard
>>
>>I haven't played through these games, but I checked out your others. Do you do
>>as Tim Krabbe suggests and do some fiddling so that you know in advance what the
>>program is going to play, and try several things until you find a stupid spot?
>>
>>I'm not asking this with hostile intent. I think that's a fine way to do it,
>>but I would like to know.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>bruce
>
>I think that the answer is in the following text , grabbed from Tim site , that
>admit honestly some trial and error approaches :
>
>"It is possible that Nemeth (like me) went through some trial-and-error before
>he won these games, but that is not the point; the point is that it is possible
>to beat the strongest chess programs in the world with the Nemeth Gambit, or
>with 1.d4 h5 2.e4 e5.
>Of course, computers also find good moves that a human would never think of, and
>they're a great help in analysis, but what I wanted to show is that they don't
>"play chess".
I believe that it is also possible to beat grandmasterrs by lines like 1.d4 h5
2.e4 e5 with black if you try enough games.
Does it mean that they do not "play chess".
Uri
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