Author: Uri Blass
Date: 03:55:11 07/31/01
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On July 31, 2001 at 05:34:30, Ed Schröder wrote: >On July 31, 2001 at 05:19:34, Peter McKenzie wrote: > >>On July 31, 2001 at 05:11:57, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On July 31, 2001 at 04:35:14, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On July 31, 2001 at 04:04:22, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 31, 2001 at 03:34:19, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 31, 2001 at 01:17:52, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In Chessbits forum I read, that in 18th WMCCC multiprosessors are allowed and >>>>>>>because of this Rebel, Tiger and Gandalf are NOT playing? Hope, that Crafty18.10 >>>>>>>is there! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jouni >>>>>> >>>>>>Please post a pointer to the article. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't know what in the hell is going on with the ICCA these days. I try to >>>>>>ignore all of the European computer chess intrigues, but if Chessbase got to >>>>>>Jaap and David somehow I can't help but being very unimpressed. >>>>>> >>>>>>bruce >>>>> >>>>>Here's: http://www.myphorum.de/forum/read.php?f=1578&i=3080&t=3075 >>>>> >>>>>please note it's in german >>>>> >>>>>Jouni >>>> >>>>After fiddling with AltaVista it seems that it's a post expressing concern about >>>>rule changes, notably the multiprocessor stuff, and eventually stating that >>>>everything associated with Ed has dropped out. >>>> >>>>Some of the rule changes aren't changes or don't matter. The 1/2 of programmers >>>>must be ICCA members is old. The G/30 finish is terrible, but this is to be >>>>expected when people who haven't operated a program for ten years make the >>>>rules. The multiprocessor thing is the big deal, obviously. >>>> >>>>I have mixed feelings about this. If this was done because Chessbase called up >>>>David and/or Jaap and explained to them that the level of competition would be >>>>higher if they allowed these machines, and David and/or Jaap bought this, that >>>>sucks. >>>> >>>>On the other (very minor) hand, there have been multiprocessor machines >>>>available for not too much money for years, and this makes it even more apparent >>>>that everyone needs to get with it and develop for them. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>> >>>To clear things up, before the subject gets a life of its own, here is the >>>email I send 3 days ago. The complaint is that 2 months of work are spoiled, >>>hardware already bought and then suddenly the rules are changed without any >>>notification. It is too bad for words. >>> >>>Ed >>> >>>===================================================== >>> >>>Dear Jaap and David, >>> >>>I hereby withdraw my previous made registration for the upcoming WMCCC >>>Maastricht 2001 for Rebel, Chess Tiger and Gandalf. >>> >>>Reason: as read on the WMCCC pages the event was meant a traditional WMCCC >>>tournament playing on one processor. When visiting the page a few days ago >>>my eyes BY ACCIDENT saw the following: >>> >>> "A multi-processor system is allowed." >>> >>>I have nothing against this rule however consider the following: >>> >>>#1. Preparation for a WCCC takes months (engine, book). As it now seems we >>>have invested our time in THE WRONG VERSION. Instead of working on our multi- >>>processor versions we have worked on our single versions. >>> >>>#2. You CAN NOT change the rules on such short terms, more you can not change >>>the rules without notifying the participants. An email, call, fax or letter >>>should have been appropriate as in the early days. >>> >>>#3. I have already invested in new single processor hardware which is now >>>worthless as I had not bought it while knowing it was a multi-processor event. >>>Do you understand? >>> >>>I sincerely hope you will judge the withdrawal of Rebel, Chess Tiger and >>>Gandalf on its right value and change the rules back to normal. >>> >>>Kind regards, >>> >>>Ed Schroder >> >>Sorry to hear that you are getting shafted again Ed. > > >I just hope it is not too late and that the rules are set back to normal. I >really was looking forward to the event because I wanted to see my my latest >brainchild in action. If this is the reason you can still participate with your single processor. History proved that single processor against multi-processors is not a struggle with no chance and shredder won WCCC inspite of having only one proccesor. I think the correct reason for the withdrawl should be different and it should be done in order to convince people to avoid similiar behaviour in the future. This reason is correct also for the people who have the hardware advantage. If chessbase decides to refuse to play in the competition because of this reason or decide to "cheat" and use only one processor for the competition they can earn some respect from the public. Unfortunately I do not expect them to do it and I do not say it because I hate chessbase. Uri
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