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Subject: Re: A new Deep Blue ?

Author: odell hall

Date: 10:46:22 07/31/01

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On July 31, 2001 at 08:33:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 31, 2001 at 07:01:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 31, 2001 at 03:23:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On July 31, 2001 at 02:59:10, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is it possible to use the VIA 800Mhz chips which don't require a fan (i think)
>>>>in parallel to where any program now could outsearch any Deep Blue of the past?
>>>>
>>>>It might take a few thousand chips but if it looks deeper it should mostly be
>>>>better.
>>>>
>>>>I do know that there were supposed to be hundreds of parameters so i would bet
>>>>it is better positionally than most comps now
>>>
>>>
>>>???
>>>
>>>What they call a "parameter" is for example the value of a white rook on A1.
>>>There are 6 piece types, 2 sides, and 64 squares. That makes already 768
>>>parameters.
>>>
>>>Hey I've got thousands of parameters in Tiger then!
>>>
>>>They were better in search, that's for sure, because of their processing power.
>>>
>>>Better in evaluation? That remains to be proved.
>>
>>Better in search?
>>It also remains to be proved.
>>
>>More nodes per second does not mean better in search because other programs may
>>have better search rules.
>>
>>I believe they were inferior in evaluation.
>>The size of the evaluation function is not the important thing.
>>The important things is to get the right numbers in the evaluation function.
>>
>>If you have wrong tables the fact that you have big tables is not going to help
>>you.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>If their evaluation numbers were so wrong, and their search was so weak, _I_
>for one wish I could make those same mistakes.  What other program has come
>close to beating a current world champion in a match?  Particularly when it
>was obvious that Kasparov wasn't "playing for a draw in any game


What Modern program has had the opportunity to run on the Hardware that Deepblue
ran on?? I do not think that Deepblue's results are indicative of how smart it
was, but that it had a a huge billion Dollar company that could afford the
machinery to make deepblue shine, I think Chrisopher with Chess Tiger, was as
succesfull on the puny pen 3 866 as  deepblue, that is something much more
impressive, It's not so much that the designers of Deepblue are so Brilliant,
but had the money to back them up, I wonder how Ed shroeder or Christopher would
do if they had the kind of financial backing that the programmers of Deep Blue
had ?  I guarentee kasparov would not even have Won a Game!!!!!!!



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