Author: Bo Persson
Date: 06:49:34 08/02/01
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On August 01, 2001 at 20:48:40, Mark Young wrote: >On August 01, 2001 at 13:07:19, Mike Castañuela wrote: > >>On August 01, 2001 at 09:42:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 01, 2001 at 05:03:06, Graham Laight wrote: >>> >>>>On July 31, 2001 at 22:37:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 31, 2001 at 18:36:53, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>>> >>>>>><snip> >>>>>>Franz Morsch saying the main difference between this version of Fritz compared >>>>>>to its predecessors did not lie so much in greater chess knowledge but more due >>>>>>to the machines newfound ability to deal with anti-computer chess strategy, and >>>>>>to learn from its mistakes. He also said that he believed that this incarnation >>>>>>of Fritz is every bit as strong as the Deep Blue II that defeated Kasparov and >>>>>>has far greater "chess knowledge". >>>>>><snip> >>>>>> >>>>>>Good to say that...:) >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>If that is a direct quote from Frans, my respect for him just took a _huge_ >>>>>nose-dive. The quote is simply nonsense. >>>> >>>>Presumably, the lost respect will be restored if Fritz wins. :) >>>> >>>>-g >>> >>> >>>Nope. Fritz could win 6-0 and that statement would _still_ be ridiculous to >>>make by someone that knows something about computer chess. >> >> >>Why? > >What is ridiculous is the above statement, some peoples mindset are so strong >they will ignore any facts or data that contradicts that mindset. Bob has now >set an unreachable standard for any computer to surpass Deep Blue for many years >to come in his own mind. > >I guess results don’t count, what matters is hardware speed, number of >processors, cost, how many billions of node a second the program can calculate >etc, etc, That is now how we judge who has the strongest program. The point *is* a *billion* nodes per second! Five years ago DBII was 1000x faster than anything else. Now we might have closed in somewhat, so that today it would only be 100x faster than the Deep X'es. Is that enough to beat it?? The guys behind Deep Blue are no dummies either, a Ph.D. in chip design and a Ph.D. in Search Theory might come in handy for any chess project! And a resident GM for tests and tuning and opening book preparation is not too bad either. And 10 years sponsoring from IBM and free hardware would help too! >Now I understand why Deep Blue no longer has to play a real game of chess to be >considered the strongest program and best player on the planet. > So here we have Michael Schumacher driving his five year old Formula 1 car, and me (or is it Fritz?) chasing him in my new VW with an 8-way Porsche engine. Will someone please wave the blue flag! :-) > >>Prof. Hyatt, you mean that if X Program (PC), not matter with >>what score its defeats to the current human World champion, then >>DBII has been the Best program forever? No, but someone will have to reach more than 1% of DBII's top speed before attempting a take-over. >>The results do not count, beyond subjectivas discussions? No! :-)) Bo Persson bop2@telia.com
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