Author: Mike Castañuela
Date: 08:40:09 08/02/01
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On August 02, 2001 at 00:53:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 01, 2001 at 13:07:19, Mike Castañuela wrote: > >>On August 01, 2001 at 09:42:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 01, 2001 at 05:03:06, Graham Laight wrote: >>> >>>>On July 31, 2001 at 22:37:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 31, 2001 at 18:36:53, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>>> >>>>>><snip> >>>>>>Franz Morsch saying the main difference between this version of Fritz compared >>>>>>to its predecessors did not lie so much in greater chess knowledge but more due >>>>>>to the machines newfound ability to deal with anti-computer chess strategy, and >>>>>>to learn from its mistakes. He also said that he believed that this incarnation >>>>>>of Fritz is every bit as strong as the Deep Blue II that defeated Kasparov and >>>>>>has far greater "chess knowledge". >>>>>><snip> >>>>>> >>>>>>Good to say that...:) >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>If that is a direct quote from Frans, my respect for him just took a _huge_ >>>>>nose-dive. The quote is simply nonsense. >>>> >>>>Presumably, the lost respect will be restored if Fritz wins. :) >>>> >>>>-g >>> >>> >>>Nope. Fritz could win 6-0 and that statement would _still_ be ridiculous to >>>make by someone that knows something about computer chess. >> >> >>Why? >>Prof. Hyatt, you mean that if X Program (PC), not matter with >>what score its defeats to the current human World champion, then >>DBII has been the Best program forever? >>The results do not count, beyond subjectivas discussions? > > >Simple test: > >I build a car, using a 502 CI motor, producing about 2500 horsepower at the >rear wheels. > >You build a car, using whatever you want, producing about 250 horsepower at >the rear wheels. > >We race. Who wins? > >I _might_ blow a rear end.... snap an axle... drop the tranny on the track... >break a crank... throw a rod... drop a valve... I would lose. But if we >race a race later that year, and you _must_ best your life on the outcome, who >are you going to bet on? _really_??? > >I _know_ that in the 1/4 mile drags, 2500 horses is going to beat 250 horses >every time unless something odd happens. > >And in the case of deep blue, it is 25,000 horses vs DF's 250 horsepower. So >which is really stronger? Even if DF does beat another car in a race? Which >one would you _really_ bet on??? > >Results count. But so does actual technical knowledge about the combatants. >In this case, the technical details overwhelm any single race result. Give >me that 25,000 horsepower any time. Thanks. But there are something not considered in your map: The 'overall horsepower' takes into account the chess knowledge embedded in the system, which, in PC programs, there several presumptions (e.g. results against humans) that it is far better comparatively than DBII, compensing (in part) the deficit in 'brute horsepower' (e.g. processors speed). I say in part, because until now no PC program has won to the current World champion. But if Fritz wins, by example, with at least the same margin than DBII won to Kasparov (3.5-2.5), then my hypothesis of the 'overal horsepower (strength with chess knowledge)' more likely it must be certain. And if Kramnik is at least at 90-100% of his strength at the time of the match, there will be no excuses, nor something odd have happened, and, therefore, Fritz (or whatever) will be better.
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