Author: Tony Werten
Date: 01:54:09 08/05/01
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On August 04, 2001 at 10:00:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On August 04, 2001 at 04:58:54, Tony Werten wrote: > >>On August 04, 2001 at 03:26:07, Johan Havegheer wrote: >> >>>On August 03, 2001 at 17:38:22, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On August 03, 2001 at 13:25:10, Frank Schneider wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 03, 2001 at 13:17:10, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 03, 2001 at 12:54:06, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 03, 2001 at 11:24:56, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The original situation was terrible. I can find fault with the original >>>>>>>>compromise decision, but it was made under pressure and didn't cause a lot of >>>>>>>>damage, so I think it's okay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some of the other stuff would have been bad. Multiple entrants per team would >>>>>>>>have been bad. Imagine the kind of stuff that would been said in here if round >>>>>>>>one is Fritz versus Fritz, Junior versus Junior, and Shredder versus Shredder, >>>>>>>>and in order to win you have to play Junior twice and Shredder twice and Fritz >>>>>>>>twice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Multiple entrants per team make sense only if there are 2 tournaments when >>>>>>>microcomputer should be allowed to play in both competition only if the team of >>>>>>>the micro does not have a multi version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In this case Fritz versus Fritz cannot happen because the 2 Fritz's are going to >>>>>>>play in different torunaments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>If I understand properly, there aren't two tournaments. There is one tournament >>>>>>with two titles, so there is one Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>What about amateur-titles? Will there also be two of them? >>>>> >>>>>Frank >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The only question now is whether anyone will show up with a multi-processor >>>>>>machine, since the single-processor title is more desirable. >>>>>> >>>>>>bruce >>>> >>>>I assume not. >>>> >>>>Would make sense. Ed didn't complain about amateur title and amateurs >>>>who do not pay $1000 entry fee for 2 programs (tiger + rebel) have less >>>>to say, as historically has been proven. >>>> >>>>Anyway it's good that David made this deal. Keeping the participants >>>>inside the tournament, especially if it's Rebel + Tiger, that's always >>>>better as getting them outside. >>>> >>>>Nevertheless i doubt the argumentation from Ed that he was making his >>>>DOS program parallel. >>>> >>>>Now what we miss in this tournament is publicity. Only 15 participants >>>>or something like that. I of course added junior to that already, >>>>as those are always late to sign in and there wasn't a clear statement >>>>yet they are not going to join AFAIK. >>>> >>>>No dude in Netherlands knows there is a world champs computerchess >>>>in august in Maastricht. It wasn't even announced in the 2 monthly >>>>chess magazine. Would be amazed if there is a report in it about it >>>>anyway. >>> >>>The other problem is that the CSVN (Dutch computer chess association) hasn't >>>released their june number yet. They have problems finding a new chief editor >>>for their magazine 'COMPUTERSCHAAK'. I don't see many dutch programs on the >>>list. >> >>I do. I count at least 6. (I'll leave the wich one question for homework) >> >>>No King, Arthur , Kallisto ???? >> >>None of them were present last year either. >> >>Tony > >considering in total there are 14 entries, so any idiot can enter >right now, then 6 is a very small number considering there are >more dutch chessprograms than there are US or French chessprograms. I wouldn't call them idots, but yes, any unexperienced program can enter. Not because there are 14 entries, but because there's enough room for all. Paricipating in a tournement can be a big motivation boost, specially for beginning programmers, so I think this was a good decission of the organizing comittee. Tony > >If i remember well in 1997 in Paris some real weak programs joined >there, but the playing hall was completely filled with programs. > >Now we have only FOURTEEN entries. If junior + crafty join then that's >getting SIXTEEN entries. > >For a world championship this is a big shame!!!!! > >Of course the programs that do join, are not coincidental programs which >all progress hard, with 1 exception, but that already was strong and >has a world title. > > > >>> >>>Johan
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