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Subject: Re: Die Win XP ! Die !

Author: Jeroen van Dorp

Date: 11:47:15 08/07/01

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On August 07, 2001 at 12:20:38, Slater Wold wrote:


>I am not naive.  You are just paranoid.  Control of the market is one thing,
>taking over the world is another.

I was not talking about "taking over the world". No cheap shots please.
Dominating the market, that was it about. Microsoft wants control,like any
company wants control. It's the reason why sometimes mergers are prohibited and
blocked by governements, because the monopoly of a company in a certain field is
bad for the market. That was my story about the consumer based windows, and the
way I was forced to buy it.


>The judge hated MS.  Everyone knows that.  His Compaq probably crashed that
>morning.  Granted, the dealings were bad.  Ok.  But that trial was a goof.  We
>all know that.


I don't. Besides, you can't imply that a court decision should not be considered
valid because the judge wasn't on our side. Why should a convicted man listen to
a court decision? After all, the judge hated him, so no need to think his
judgement is valid.


>Yes, and I don't make a lot of money, and am stuck with an underperforming car.

Were you *forced* to buy the second choice car with the house you bought or
rented?


>
>>when you were forced to pay for the OS coming with your PC as well;
>
>Go buy a clone.  They are cheaper anyway.  Load whatever you'd like.


So basically I should throw away money I didn't want to spend in the first place
for a product that didn't function properly (enough), and buy a replacement out
of my own pocket again? Should *I* be the one to pay for the underperformance of
another?


>Protecting their assets.  We all pay for others mistakes.  I am 22, and have
>never have had an at fault accident.  But I pay HIGH premiums, because I am
>"more likely" to get in an accident.  I am paying for other mistakes and
>irresposiblity.  Oh well.  Fact of life.  I too am forced to buy insurance.  And
>while I HATE to do it, I do it.  And wish others would too.

Insurance is about liability regarding other vulnerable people, software on my
PC is not. But let's not pick over bad comparisons. Your point is clear. We are
not disagreeing over the fact that they have the right to. It's not the
contents, but the paper wrapped around it.


>Then don't buy them.  If enough people agree with you, they will stop.

I should forfeit on buying a PC of my choice because the OS choice isn't free?
Conditional sale is bad, and nor for one reason very often prohibited.


>
>Please give me at least 1 example of "disabling" the alternatives.  Other than
>Netscape.

XP and Java.

>My father will _NEVER_ consider the customer.  The customer doesn't pay him, MS
>does.

If you are right, it's worse than I thought.

Obviously you should ask your father again. He will disagree, no doubt. Every
slice of bread he eats, is paid by his customers. His *only* focus will have to
be the customer.
However sometimes the good intentions at microscale will work out bad on
macroscale. The company does some things wrong. Not all.


>People hate MS.  People hate
>Bill Gates.  Oh well.  A lot of people hate a lot of people.  It's fine.  I
>understand.

Maybe inadvertedly you implicitly suggest people criticising Microsoft are
MS-bashers or -haters per sé. I hope so, as this is a very bad discussion trick,
sorry. Don't take offense.

I don't hate Microsoft at all. I don't hate Bill Gates.I think it's stupid to
hate a company or a person if it does things not well enough. We are talking
performance and quality, not personal resentment.

Microsoft does certain things not well enough, and the way they are dealing with
that problem suggests they think it's no problem at all.

I *know* it's a problem, as I experience it over and over again.

Windows 98 randomly crashing my computer -even unattended- doesn't make me hate
Bill Gates.
But I want Microsoft to know I'm a part of their daily slice of bread. And with
a proper OS at a reasonable price with enough performance and good stability
they have me as a bread provider for the future.
A paid customer. They deserve it for good work. As long as they deliver the
quality I need, and not force me to pay for the quality I have gotten now.

It's not Microsoft that determines the quality.

I do, as a customer. As it should be.


J.



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