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Subject: Re: What are you talking about?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:16:58 08/07/01

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On August 07, 2001 at 22:56:08, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On August 07, 2001 at 19:01:55, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On August 07, 2001 at 17:56:37, Jay Rinde wrote:
>>
>>>Alberto might be wrong, but your reasoning would drive an insane man more
>>>insane.  What Alberto says does make sense.  It just isn't the way the world
>>>works and whatever the software company says must be law because they have very
>>>expensive lawyers working for them.  Who was it that said 2 plus 2 equals 5?
>>>Jay
>>
>>I view it as someone saying:  2+2=5, and this must be true since nobody is
>>paying enough attention to contradict me (including myself).
>>
>>If the license says you can only have it on one computer, it means that you can
>>only have it on one computer.  It doesn't mean that you can have it on more than
>>one computer if the others are off.  You might as well try to say that it means
>>that you can have it on more than one computer as long as you aren't using more
>>than one at once.  If they'd have meant the license to say that, it would have.
>>
>>The terms are what the license says, and the fact that lawyers are involved
>>doesn't excuse breaking them.  The buyer could have taken the softwre back if he
>>doesn't agree.
>>
>>If someone wants to say, "I see the terms and choose to break them, because it
>>is of benefit to me," that's one thing.  At least the person doing it is taking
>>responsibility.
>>
>>What bothers me when people say, "I saw these terms, but I choose to break them,
>>and this is alright because <fill in the blank>."  That's a transparent attempt
>>to *avoid* responsibility.
>
>
>I'm uncomfortable with your way of looking at things. For instance, suppose
>there is law that requires exposing Jews for extermination. As you can see,
>there are good reasons that can "<fill in the blank>" quite well.
>
>In the case of Microsoft, if one believes they are a monopoly, I can see how
>someone might believe they are justified in not following Microsofts dictates if
>they feel Microsoft does the public (and them) harm as a monopoly. Whether they
>are really justified (or whether it is "wise" to to defy Microsoft) is a
>different story, but I would not say they are way off base.


I disagree with that line of reasoning.  IE if someone is found guilty of
murder, do _you_ get to string 'em up?  Or is that a function of the Justice
department?  I don't think individuals get the right to do whatever they want
to a product of a company that may (or may not) be a monopoly.




>
>
>>
>>If people think it's wrong to do something, they shouldn't do it, or at least
>>they should admit (to themselves at least) that they are doing something wrong
>>(and live with their conscience).  I think it's terrible when people do things
>>they know are wrong, and yet which directly benefit them, and try to escape
>>responsibility for it by saying they have some good reason for doing it.  I
>>think that's a bad attitude.
>>
>>bruce



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