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Subject: Re: mhz war for processors=cheaper and faster for chess program users

Author: Ed Panek

Date: 08:04:12 08/08/01

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On August 07, 2001 at 19:18:00, K. Burcham wrote:

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>i ran across this article that an intel employee states that they are passionate
>about staying way ahead of amd in the mhz available to the public.
>he even states that no matter what mhz amd releases, that intel plans
>on staying 500 mhz more than amd.
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>i know intel is a large company, but i dont think they are capable of doing this
>at the present time.
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>amd has shown over the last few years that they are very capable of keeping
>ahead of or equal to intel in all of the benchtests of their processors.
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>if intel pushes this like this "vice president of intels architecture group"
>states, then the 1500 mhz to 2500 mhz amd will get here sooner than
>expected. with the release of the 2000 mhz intel soon, and based on amds
>responses over the last two years, amd should answer this intel mhz increase
>with a substantial increase in the palomino mhz.
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>so IF this all happens we could see a 2 gig palomino by the first of the year.
>and we all know the palomino is smp capable and doing very well in the
>benchtests and is very stable when overclocked.
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>so maybe a dual 2 gig palomino by january.
>this should mean about 3300+ kns (fritzmark test).
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>it wont be fun for the gamers anymore. go to a chess server with deep tiger
>on dual 2 gig palomino----and play against deep fritz on dual 2 gig
>palomino = draw.  i am not sure how all these comp vs comp games will
>change with the capability to search so deep. i do know that the stronger
>the programs get it seems there are more draws with all this increase
>in mhz.
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>the next six to twelve months will be very interesting for chess programs
> and the hardware that will become available.
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>kburcham
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>this is the article that i ran across
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>Intel pushing hard on Pentium 4
>By John G. Spooner <mailto:john_spooner@zdnet.com>
>Special to CNET News.com
>August 7, 2001, 10:25 a.m. PT
>
>BOSTON--Intel reiterated its plans Tuesday to aggressively move its Pentium 4
>into the mainstream of the PC market.
>During a U.S. Bancorp Piper Jaffray conference for financial analysts, Anand
>Chandrasekher, vice president of Intel's Architecture Group, all but confirmed
>that the chipmaker would launch its 2GHz Pentium 4 later this month, cut prices
>and go for the jugular of rival Advanced Micro Devices.
>Repeating statements made by Executive Vice President Paul Otellini during the
>company's second-quarter earnings </news/0-1003-200-6592663.html> conference
>call, Chandrasekher said Intel will move aggressively to make Pentium 4 the
>standard chip for PCs. The main weapon will be price cuts, prompted by more
>efficient chipmaking methods and the introduction of Intel's 845 chipset, which
>will allow PC makers to pair the Pentium 4 with cheaper SDRAM memory.
>That means, Chandrasekher said, that Intel's 1.5GHz and 1.6GHz Pentium 4
>processor will take the place of its 900MHz and 1GHz Pentium III chips that are
>currently used in PCs priced between $800 and about $1,200.
>All this shows "a pulling away from the competition at this point,"
>Chandrasekher said.
>"By the end of this quarter, August, we'll be at a 500MHz" advantage over the
>fastest AMD chip, he said. "It's our intent to maintain that (lead) over time."
>Although he did not mention the competition by name, Chandrasekher was referring
>directly to AMD's Athlon processor. Intel's fastest chip is a 1.8GHz Pentium 4
>and AMD's is a 1.4GHz Athlon. The introduction of the 2GHz Pentium 4 will widen
>the gap to 500MHz once AMD introduces its 1.5GHz Athlon, expected later this
>quarter.
>Intel's chip will offer 500MHz more in clock speed, giving Intel an advantage
>when it comes to marketing the Pentium 4. But analysts say the new Athlon should
>be able to keep up by posting strong overall performance numbers rivaling the
>Pentium 4.
>As previously reported, Intel will use the 2GHz chip as a tool to both extend
>its speed lead and cut prices on existing chips. The combination of lower prices
>on the 1.5GHz and 1.6GHz and the 845 chipset, which will pair the chips with
>low-cost SDRAM memory, should allow PC makers to hit Intel's $800 goal for
>Pentium 4 systems.
>Chandrasekher declined to comment on recent analyst reports
></news/0-1003-200-6792635.html> that have sent Intel's stock down by speculating
>the chipmaker is planning even more drastic price cuts.
>This is not really new news," Chandrasekher said. Otellini also indicated during
>the second-quarter call that Intel would further reduce prices on Pentium 4
>chips this month.



Sadly, Intel has decided that winning the publicity battle is more important
than winning the actual processor war. I repected Intel when the 386 chip was
released when I was just out of high school. It was incredible and pretty much
shook motorola to the core. then the 486 with the onboard fpu and then the
pentium and then pro....not much has changed since then...Amd did the smart
thing during the mid 90's and revamped their chips. Last year Intel, instead of
actually prducing a faster chip. produced a worse chip that has a higher clock
rate !!?!?!? This way they can win the MHZ battle while having a worse chip.
Intel has yet to improve on the processors they make and are _IN SUCH A RUSH_ to
get them out the strip them down.... the P4 has an 8K L1 cache...the same cache
as in a 486!!! Intel should concentrate on prducing a better chip, not a chip
that clocks faster!....work on putting more FPU's in the P4 and then they might
have a good chip!


Ed



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