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Subject: Re: Shredder blind?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 11:03:51 08/13/01

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On August 13, 2001 at 03:26:28, Harald Faber wrote:

>Following position:
>
>[D]1rb4r/2p3k1/3b4/4pp2/P1P1P1p1/1N1N2Pq/1PQ3R1/4R1K1 b - - 0 1
>
>The last white move was Nc5-b3 and Shredder 5.32 felt fine with +0.2 at a search
>depth of 10-11 and awaits f5-f4. But Shredder changes its mind very fast after
>the next black obvious move. Is Shredder blind? Or are the other programs blind
>too? Would a different move than Nc5-b3 have saved the white position?

The default Chessmaster personality, on a PIII-600, takes just under a minute to
find Rxb3:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-0.16	5748		1...Be6 2. Nbc5 Qh1+ 3. Kf2
0:00	1/4	-0.21	24134		1...f4 2. Nf2 Qh5 3. Kf1 Be6
0:01	2/5	-0.12	44467		1...f4 2. Nf2 Qh5 3. c5 fxg3 4.
					cxd6 gxf2+ 5. Kxf2 cxd6
0:01	2/5	-0.26	101987		1...Bb7 2. Nf2 Qh6 3. c5 Be7 4. Kf1
0:02	2/6	-0.31	168266		1...Bb7 2. Nf2 Qh6 3. Qd2 Qxd2
					4. Nxd2 Bc5
0:03	2/6	-0.35	239650		1...f4 2. Nf2 Qh5 3. c5 Be7 4.
					Kf1 Ba6+ 5. Nd3
0:07	3/7	-0.41	504094		1...f4 2. Nf2 Qh5 3. gxf4 exf4
					4. c5 Be5 5. Nd3 g3
0:29	3/8	-0.46	2090449		1...f4 2. Nf2 Qh5 3. gxf4 exf4
					4. c5 Be5 5. Qd1 Rb4 6. Nxg4 Bxb2
					7. Rxb2 Bxg4
0:57	3/8	-1.18	4158392		1...Rxb3 2. Qxb3 fxe4 3. Nf2 Bc5
					4. Kf1 Rf8 5. Re2 e3 6. Qc3 exf2
					7. Qxe5+ Kg8
1:34	4/9	-1.61	7301870		1...Rxb3 2. Qxb3 fxe4 3. Nf2 Bc5
					4. Kf1 Rf8 5. Re2 e3 6. Qb8 exf2
					7. Qxc7+ Kg8

Taking back White's move (Nb5c3), CM8000 doesn't seem to be able to find
anything better than Qc3:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	0.30	4405		1. a5 Ra8 2. b4
0:00	1/4	0.40	15898		1. a5 f4 2. gxf4 exf4 3. Qc3+ Kf7
					4. e5
0:01	2/5	0.26	45936		1. a5 Qh1+ 2. Kf2 Qh5 3. Qe2 fxe4
					4. Qxe4 Bf5
0:01	2/5	0.31	62838		1. Qd2 f4 2. b4 f3 3. Qg5+ Kf7
0:02	2/6	-1.00	142044		1. Qd2 f4 2. b4 f3 3. Rh2 Bxc5+
					4. bxc5 Qxg3+ 5. Kh1 Rxh2+ 6. Qxh2
					Qxh2+ 7. Kxh2
0:06	2/6	0.52	354652		1. Qc3 f4 2. gxf4 Bxc5+ 3. Nxc5
					Qxc3 4. bxc3 exf4 5. Rd2
0:10	3/7	0.32	672380		1. Qc3 f4 2. gxf4 Bxc5+ 3. Nxc5
					Qxc3 4. bxc3 exf4 5. a5 Kf6
0:25	3/8	0.00	1794530		1. Qc3 f4 2. gxf4 Kf8 3. Kf2 Qf3+
					4. Kg1 Qh3
1:34	4/9	-0.04	6885580		1. Qc3 f4 2. gxf4 g3 3. Nf2 Bxc5
					4. Rxg3+ Kf7 5. Rxh3 Bxh3 6. fxe5
					Rbg8+ 7. Kh2 Bf5+ 8. Nh3 Rxh3+
					9. Qxh3 Bxh3 10. Kxh3
4:16	4/10	-0.51	19936295	1. Qc3 f4 2. gxf4 g3 3. Nf2 Bxc5
					4. Rxg3+ Kf7 5. Rxh3 Bxh3 6. Qxe5
					Rbg8+ 7. Qg5 Rxg5+ 8. fxg5 Be6
					9. b3

jm



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