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Subject: Re: Deep Blue--Part III

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:41:11 05/11/98

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On May 11, 1998 at 07:04:23, Amir Ban wrote:

>On May 10, 1998 at 18:51:35, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>
>>36. axb5!
>>
>>This is a brilliant move, which i can easily explain
>>with DB kingsafety. There are several tens of pawns needed to make
>>a program play axb5! instead of Qb6. If your kingsafety however gives
>>white a huge penalty after the line given by GM Lubosh Kavalek
>>(Qb6 Rd8 axb5 Rab8 Qxa6 e4 and the black queen gets into the white
>>position driving white king to centre with queens on the board), then
>>this move is easily explainable, supposing that DB has singular
>>extensions
>>and can see here line of about 15 half moves among which a lot of checks
>>and forced moves.
>>
>
>This position was analyzed much more deeply than this.
>
>After 36.Qb6, Rd8 is indeed best, but DB did not consider it but
>36...Qe7 (I posted the complete analysis recently). After 36... Rd8
>37.axb5, a micro will quickly see that white is in trouble, but after
>36...Qe7 37.axb5, black is a full pawn worse because of the need to
>protect the bishop on d6. Justifying 36.axb5 if you do not consider Rd8
>is more than a few tenth of a pawn to justify, actually it's about a
>full pawn.
>
>Why didn't DB consider Rd8 ? Probably it saw 36. Qb6 Rd8 37.Be4 ! and it
>seems black is screwed. But black has a fantastic resource: 37... a5!
>38.axb5 axb4!! sacing a piece, to get the queen to the first rank and
>force a draw on perpetual threats (echo of the final position, but more
>complicated).

It is clear that DB didn't see the piece sac, because this line is way
longer
than the 23 ply (Diep needs) to see that Kf1? leads to a draw and Kh1!
wins the game.

In the line you posted i see that DB score doesn't get to zero, but
just goes down few tens of a pawn. So that'll be some king safety,
no doubt.

>I showed this to Kasaprov last November, and was surprised to find that
>he knows about this. Actually he treated it derisively. He says after
>continuations of the sort axb5 Rab8 the queen should not take on a6 but
>retreat to f2 or e3 and white looks good.


>>24.b4?     this move is a horrible positional concession. Lucky for DB
>>most PC
>>                programs play it too.
>
>Kasparov disagrees. He says this move is necessary to avoid losing
>material. I didn't check, but I remember that Junior would have played
>it. This was raised when strategies for human intervention were
>discussed and Kasparov mentioned 24.b4 as a move where second-guessing
>the computer would be a bad mistake.

I don't believe Kasparov, he first needs to give an analysis.
Anyway, this move ain't interesting because PC programs play b4 too.

More interesting is 2 moves further where DB plays b4-b5? which is not
played by several PC programs after long analysis.

I was surprised seeing in the lines you posted here that DB just got 11
ply.

Although i admit that when i would search fullwidth with SE and all kind
of check/threat extensions i doubt whether i would get more with
around 70 Billion nodes.

>Amir



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