Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 01:31:52 08/16/01
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On August 15, 2001 at 17:53:01, Dann Corbit wrote: >On August 15, 2001 at 17:37:10, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On August 15, 2001 at 17:05:22, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>A very entertaining contest. >>> >>>The comments of the IM's should be worth their weight in gold for the engine >>>programmers. Nothing like a good public scathing to make someone perk up and >>>take notice. >>>;-) >> >> >>I read all the IMs' comments. They are indeed VERY entertaining, but I wonder. >>They are talking about the programs as if they (the programs) were people. How >>Fritz and Junior are brothers and play the same. How they are disappointed in >>Hiarcs because they think it plays so well normally. How Rebel Tiger is unsound >>and relatively weak, whereas Gambit Tiger is sounder (!). How CM8000 is a good >>tutor for kids, but they (the IMs) are surprised it's doing well and shocked >>that it could ever beat Hiarcs. How Genius plays "the same" as the Tiger >>programs. >> >>As we all know, these characteristics are bogus. It's all statistics. A single >>game between programs can result in almost any style of game and any result. >>They'd have to look at a 20-game match between two programs before any comments >>about styles and relative strengths they (the IMs) make would have any validity. >> Failing that, it's kind of like reading your horoscope: it may sound plausible, >>but it's all hokum. >> >>My $0.02. > >I agree with you on the personifications. >The stuff useful for the programmers will be stuff more like: > >"Look at this idiotic move..." > >"Doesn't this program know anything about pawn structure?" > >"I'd have to give that move a ??" > >etc. > >The general impressions will be far less valuable. It is the specific details >that merit keen attention. programmers wait for something they will never get. source code. between 2 groups of different people, it needs to translate the ideas in mind. you cannot wait until chess players talk in source code to you. if you listen to programmers they talk bits and bytes. no other chess player is interested or is able to understand. it needs to find a language all understand. so far i have seen NO comment of any programmer at all. do they have a mouth ? play they chess ? do they talk to their family when they come home ? programmers seem to be like plants. you can talk with them, but they do not answer. if you be nice to them they grow. but they will rarely move to something else. nor react at all.
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