Author: Adam Oellermann
Date: 09:15:25 08/16/01
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On August 16, 2001 at 04:31:52, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On August 15, 2001 at 17:53:01, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On August 15, 2001 at 17:37:10, Roy Eassa wrote: >> >>>On August 15, 2001 at 17:05:22, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>A very entertaining contest. >>>> >>>>The comments of the IM's should be worth their weight in gold for the engine >>>>programmers. Nothing like a good public scathing to make someone perk up and >>>>take notice. >>>>;-) >>> >>> >>>I read all the IMs' comments. They are indeed VERY entertaining, but I wonder. >>>They are talking about the programs as if they (the programs) were people. How >>>Fritz and Junior are brothers and play the same. How they are disappointed in >>>Hiarcs because they think it plays so well normally. How Rebel Tiger is unsound >>>and relatively weak, whereas Gambit Tiger is sounder (!). How CM8000 is a good >>>tutor for kids, but they (the IMs) are surprised it's doing well and shocked >>>that it could ever beat Hiarcs. How Genius plays "the same" as the Tiger >>>programs. >>> >>>As we all know, these characteristics are bogus. It's all statistics. A single >>>game between programs can result in almost any style of game and any result. >>>They'd have to look at a 20-game match between two programs before any comments >>>about styles and relative strengths they (the IMs) make would have any validity. >>> Failing that, it's kind of like reading your horoscope: it may sound plausible, >>>but it's all hokum. >>> >>>My $0.02. >> >>I agree with you on the personifications. >>The stuff useful for the programmers will be stuff more like: >> >>"Look at this idiotic move..." >> >>"Doesn't this program know anything about pawn structure?" >> >>"I'd have to give that move a ??" >> >>etc. >> >>The general impressions will be far less valuable. It is the specific details >>that merit keen attention. > >programmers wait for something they will never get. >source code. > >between 2 groups of different people, it needs to translate the ideas in mind. >you cannot wait until chess players talk in source code to you. >if you listen to programmers they talk bits and bytes. no other >chess player is interested or is able to understand. > >it needs to find a language all understand. > >so far i have seen NO comment of any programmer at all. >do they have a mouth ? >play they chess ? >do they talk to their family when they come home ? >programmers seem to be like plants. you can talk with them, but they >do not answer. if you be nice to them they grow. but they will rarely move >to something else. nor react at all. Wow. After such vitriol, I desperately need to be repotted ;-) Presumably posting this manure will help us programmers to grow and flourish? - Adam
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