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Subject: Re: Could someone explain this?

Author: Gordon Rattray

Date: 09:17:40 08/16/01

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On August 16, 2001 at 11:50:53, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 16, 2001 at 07:35:16, Gordon Rattray wrote:
>
>>On August 16, 2001 at 05:54:50, Terje Vagle wrote:
>>
>>>On August 16, 2001 at 05:21:51, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 16, 2001 at 03:16:59, Terje Vagle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>When I run Fritz 6 or Junior 6 in infinite mode over night, the NPS drop from
>>>>>approx. 600KNS from when I start it to approx 75KNS when it has been running for
>>>>>about 8-10 hours. The clock also starts to blink.
>>>>>
>>>>>BUT, when I run Fritz 5.32 in the same conditions, it continues the analysis
>>>>>with the same KN/s even after several days!
>>>>>
>>>>>WHY?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>Terje Vagle
>>>>
>>>>Hi!
>>>>
>>>>Check the HD activity! It is some kind of overflow of the memory.
>>>>Try to lower the hash-tables a bit.
>>>>
>>>>Bertil
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>No Bertil, that is not it I think. I have 512 MB ram on my PC and hashsize of
>>>128 MB.
>>
>>
>>I have seen the same problems.  Like yourself, I am sure that there is no
>>endgame tablebases or other disk access coming into effect.  My hashtable size
>>was 256Mb on a 512Mb RAM machine and it was no where near to being an endgame
>>position.  I had just put it down to some sort of bug or weakness or the
>>program?!
>
>My guess is that the number of nodes is simply not correct.
>It is probably no bug and no weakness because the program is not supposed to
>know to count nodes but to play chess and if the program use 32 bit number for
>the number of nodes the number is not correct at long time control and there is
>no problem(at least there is no problem if the program do not use the number of
>nodes to decide which lines to search first).

I disagree.

If a chess program displays the number of nodes, then it should be correct.
Otherwise, what is the point in displaying it at all!!  I agree that this isn't
as significant a bug as, for example, if the program didn't play chess according
to the rules, but it's still a bug.  I accept that not all bugs have equal
significance.

If it's a 32 bit number that is wrapping, this is a problem.  The Fritx GUI is
designed to show node counts.  Fritz is designed to be able to analyse over long
periods of time.  If this doesn't work, it's a bug.

Gordon



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