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Subject: Re: One easy mate to solve.

Author: Heiner Marxen

Date: 17:03:13 08/16/01

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On August 16, 2001 at 19:24:33, leonid wrote:

>On August 16, 2001 at 16:47:03, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>
>>On August 16, 2001 at 12:03:51, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>This position is intended to be solvable by every program, after only minor
>>>resistance.
>>>
>>>[D]1rrbbq2/3k4/1qqpnq2/3B4/2NPR3/1QB1KQ2/QN3PQQ/Q5QR w - -
>>>
>>>Please indicate your result.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>Hello Leonid!
>>
>>You should try to find titles for your beautiful creations!
>>For this one I suggest "The King", for obvious reasons  :-)
>
>Hi, Heiner!
>
>Is my pleasure to see you once again.
>
>This last position is in reality Chinese character that signify "Day". I thought

Hey, that is even better than I imagined!  Lovely!

>that it is not correct that I use only Latin letters as position form. Actually
>today I put "Day" instead of "Middle" that is too much deeper in its solutiion.
>"Middle" will come next.

I'll have to delay my work on it until I'm done with "US" :-(
Hopefully I will catch up, one day :-)
I will not miss any of your creations!  :-)

>>I've not yet worked on this new creation of yours, since my K7/600 after
>>60 hours is still busy crunching on your corrected "US".
>>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?183489
>>I know, you warned us :-) but I thought that would not apply to Chest.
>>That there is no mate in 8 needed only 40 minutes with an apparent EBF
>>below 10, so I expected less than 10 hours.  But this one is a hard nut
>>for Chest.  I have done some investigations into the variants Chest does
>>compute... and I'm not pleased.  There are lots of partial solutions
>>within the tree, and there are quiet white moves involved.  The trees
>>get really huge :-(
>>
>>So... that "US" appears to be a good example for a problem where Chest
>>does not do very well.  I will try to use it to improve Chest, but I'm
>>not yet sure, how exactly that improvement has to look like.
>
>Absolutely the same impression I have when I see some solutions that your mate
>solver find. Tried even to imagin some possible ways to push my solver farther
>but until now not went to my code. Still the most attractive for me is my dream
>to start Linux learning and eventually rewrite everything for 64 bits chip.
>Fascinating!!!
>
>Heiner, I tried "US" on few strong program and branching factor went there
>beyond 100. Maybe this will make you feel better.

Umm, Uhh, 100+, well, yes!  Now I feel better indeed!

>>Anyway, many thanks for your creations!  They _are_ helpful at least for me.
>
>They are helpful for both of us. Even if I was not that ready to restart my
>writing, because of your presence, I speeded my mate solver twice since you are
>here. Before I had no reason even to think that speeding mate solver have some
>sense.

So, a bit of competition is quite refreshing, isn't it?
E.g. your "selective search" is already on my TODO list.  I want to be as
fast as you are :-) :-)
Also, I currently work on access to Nalimov EGTBs, in order to not be
outsmarted by those "normal" programs :-)
That competition makes me move, also.  Fine!

Cheers,
Heiner



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