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Subject: Re: One easy mate to solve.

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:28:23 08/17/01

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On August 17, 2001 at 07:01:23, leonid wrote:

>On August 16, 2001 at 22:23:32, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>
>>On August 16, 2001 at 21:21:22, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>On August 16, 2001 at 19:49:56, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 16, 2001 at 19:00:56, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 16, 2001 at 18:58:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 16, 2001 at 16:47:03, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 16, 2001 at 12:03:51, leonid wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This position is intended to be solvable by every program, after only minor
>>>>>>>>resistance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1rrbbq2/3k4/1qqpnq2/3B4/2NPR3/1QB1KQ2/QN3PQQ/Q5QR w - -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Please indicate your result.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hello Leonid!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You should try to find titles for your beautiful creations!
>>>>>>>For this one I suggest "The King", for obvious reasons  :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've not yet worked on this new creation of yours, since my K7/600 after
>>>>>>>60 hours is still busy crunching on your corrected "US".
>>>>>>>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?183489
>>>>[D]B2B1qr1/N2Qb2q/Q2Rq3/Q2Q1q2/Q2Q2q1/Q2Q3n/R2Qq2k/1KN2rq1 w - -
>>>>>>>I know, you warned us :-) but I thought that would not apply to Chest.
>>>>>>>That there is no mate in 8 needed only 40 minutes with an apparent EBF
>>>>>>>below 10, so I expected less than 10 hours.  But this one is a hard nut
>>>>>>>for Chest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand that chest is working on finding if there is a mate in 9
>>>>>>Chessmaster6000(ss=10) can see mate in 12 in 7:20 at depth 1/6(PIII850)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>
>>>>>It can see even mate in 11 in 16:58 at depth 1/7
>>>>>The move is d2-e2
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Hello Uri!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the info!
>>>>I expect Chest to find a mate in 9, here, but I have to wait until it is
>>>>completely done (64 hours and still busy...).
>>>>Ah, yes, d2-e2 is one of those moves, where the tree explodes for Chest.
>>>>
>>>>We'll see... I will report, of course...  until then...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Heiner
>>>
>>>Heiner, from what move exactly branching went up? On mine is started growing
>>>just from 6. It could be that I just stopped where it must explode.
>>>
>>>If you want to glace brute force:
>>>
>>>Moves      Time          Branching factor      NPS
>>>
>>>4          1.26sec                             77k
>>>                         6.65
>>>5          8.4 sec                             120k
>>>                         6.63
>>>6          55.77                               124k
>>>                         8.78
>>>7          8min 3sec                           116k
>>>                         8.17
>>>8          1 hour 5 min 48 sec
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>Here is my data:
>>
>>depth    time    EBF[T]              EBF[N]
>>#  1      0.00s                 0kN           0.87          1-         0
>>#  2      0.00s                 0kN           1.00          1-         0
>>#  3      0.03s                 2kN [ 19.55]  0.96         94-         0
>>#  4      0.49s [ 16.33]       26kN [ 12.46]  1.02       1721-         0
>>#  5      5.79s [ 11.82]      272kN [ 10.44]  1.14      24491-         0
>>#  6     39.83s [  6.88]     1741kN [  6.40]  1.40     171448-         0
>>#  7    254.16s [  6.38]    11262kN [  6.47]  1.70    1091347-         1
>>#  8   2375.96s [  9.35]   109788kN [  9.75]  1.93    9380661-   1310495
>>
>>First, it went down, nicely, but then it started climbing somewhat,
>>and the next one is at least 88 !  Uuh.
>>Its still running, over 66 hours already.
>
>
>This is the next position that indicate that my specialized plys are still not
>that efficent. When your solve 4 moves in only one half of one second, mine went
>beyond one. My NPS is double of your. This is the next indication that efficency
>is below of what it should be.
>
>My expectation is that hash do very little for specialized plys since they are
>already very optimized. Something to verify later.
>
>For me is there no chances to look 9 moves for more that 10 hours but still I am
>curious how much internal structure of given position influence its branching
>factor. Will try to put this position later for 10 hours run.
>
>Maybe it will be interesting for you to know exactly time for other and good
>programs for this position. First for certain program where I put hash to zero.
>
>3 moves  took 4 seconds.
>4 moves  took 7 min and 31 sec.
>
>Second was specialized engin for solving mate. It not permit to disconnect its
>hash completely. Could see only for 4 moves. It took 1 min and 18 sec. Five
>moves time I could not see since mate engin exploded.

I believe that you used the wrong engines.
Even the mate solver of an old program like Genius2 is faster in seeing no mate
in 4.

Uri



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