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Subject: Re: Shredder5.32's problems in the endgame

Author: Mogens Larsen

Date: 14:19:54 08/20/01

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On August 20, 2001 at 17:05:35, Uri Blass wrote:

>Here is some analysis of shredder5.32 p200(64 Mbytes hash tables)
>
>Diep blundered in the relevant position by Kc5 when g4 is winning.
>The surprising thing is that Shredder also cannot see g4 in  a reasonable time
>and need more than 5 hours on p200 to avoid Kc5 (it probably means that Shredder
>with the best hardware of today cannot avoid Kc5 at tournament time control).
>
>h5 is probably enough to win(I did not analyze it and I may be wrong) but g4 is
>the simplest way to win
>
>I thought that Shredder is better in the endgame than other programs but I doubt
>it after seeing that shredder also does the same mistake that Diep did when Deep
>Fritz has no problem to find the right move with a winning score.
>
[D]2b5/7p/P2k4/1P4p1/2Ppp3/5pP1/1N3K1P/8 b - - 0 1

Deep Shredder on a Dual P3-866MHz comp with 64MB hash and only 4-piece Nalimov.

Engine: Deep Shredder
by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
position:  0 1

 10.01	 0:00 	+0.80 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Kd1 Kb4 4.Kd2 Kb3 5.c5 Kxb2 6.Ke1
(440.614) 477.8
 11.01	 0:01 	+0.55-- 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kxb5 5.Nxc8 e3 6.a7
f2+ 7.Ke2 d3+ 8.Kxe3 f1R (634.982) 483.6
 11.01	 0:01 	+0.25 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kxb5 5.Nxc8 Kxa6 6.Nd6
e3 7.Nf5 Kb5 8.Nxd4+ Kc4 (690.667) 485.7
 11.08	 0:02 	+0.26++ 	1...h5 2.Na4 Bg4 3.Ke1 e3 4.c5+ Kd5 5.Nb6+ Kxc5 6.a7 Kxb6
7.Kd1 Kxb5 8.Kc1 f2 (1.428.375) 488.8
 11.08	 0:03 	+0.33 	1...h5 2.h4 gxh4 3.gxh4 Kc5 4.Na4+ Kb4 5.Nb6 e3+ 6.Kxf3
Bg4+ 7.Kg3 d3 (1.681.570) 486.9
 12.01	 0:06 	+0.54 	1...h5 2.h3 g4 3.hxg4 Bxg4 4.Nd1 Bc8 5.c5+ Kxc5 6.b6
(3.131.744) 490.0
 12.08	 0:09 	+0.55++ 	1...Kc5 2.Na4+ Kxc4 3.Nb6+ Kd3 4.Ke1 e3 5.Kf1 (4.758.935)
492.0
 12.08	 0:11 	+0.83 	1...Kc5 2.g4 Kb4 3.h3 h6 4.Kg3 Kc3 5.a7 Bb7 6.Nd3 exd3
7.Kh2 Kxc4 (5.644.938) 489.5
 13.01	 0:14 	+0.58-- 	1...Kc5 2.Na4+ Kxc4 3.Nb6+ Kd3 4.g4 Bxg4 5.Kg3 e3 6.a7 f2
7.a8Q Kc2 8.Kxg4 f1Q (7.014.434) 491.6
 13.01	 0:15 	+0.28 	1...Kc5 2.Na4+ Kxc4 3.Nb6+ Kd3 4.g4 e3+ 5.Kxf3 Bxg4+ 6.Kg3
Kc2 7.Nc4 Be6 8.Nd6 (7.478.338) 492.9
 13.02	 0:16 	+0.29++ 	1...h5 2.h3 g4 3.hxg4 Bxg4 4.Nd1 Bc8 5.c5+ Kxc5 6.a7 e3+
7.Kg1 Bb7 8.Nc3 dxc3 (7.884.898) 481.5
 13.02	 0:18 	+0.64++ 	1...h5 2.h3 g4 3.hxg4 Bxg4 4.Nd1 Bc8 5.c5+ Kxc5 6.a7 e3+
7.Kg1 Bb7 8.Nc3 dxc3 (8.561.020) 471.5
 13.02	 0:19 	+0.85 	1...h5 2.h3 g4 3.hxg4 Bxg4 4.Ke1 e3 5.Nd3 f2+ 6.Nxf2 exf2+
7.Kxf2 (9.328.730) 470.8
 14.01	 0:28 	+0.60-- 	1...h5 2.h4 g4 3.Ke1 Kc5 4.Na4+ Kxc4 5.Nb6+ Kd3 6.Nxc8
f2+ 7.Kxf2 Kd2 (13.276.070) 462.5
 14.01	 0:29 	+0.36 	1...h5 2.h4 g4 3.Ke1 Kc5 4.Na4+ Kxc4 5.Nb6+ Kxb5 6.Nxc8
Kxa6 7.Nd6 e3 8.Nf5 Kb5 (13.629.055) 463.2
 15.01	 1:07 	+0.36 	1...h5 2.h4 g4 3.Ke1 Kc5 4.Na4+ Kxc4 5.Nb6+ Kxb5 6.Nxc8
Kxa6 7.Nd6 e3 8.Nf5 Kb5 (30.312.556) 450.0
 15.03	 1:18 	+0.37++ 	1...Kc5 2.Na4+ Kxc4 3.Nb6+ Kd3 4.g4 e3+ 5.Kxf3 Bxg4+
6.Kxg4 e2 7.Na4 e1Q 8.Nc5+ Kd2 9.a7 Qe2+ 10.Kh3 Qxb5 (35.534.288) 451.3
 15.03	 1:21 	+0.72++ 	1...Kc5 2.Na4+ Kxc4 3.Nb6+ Kd3 4.g4 e3+ 5.Kxf3 Be6 6.a7
e2 7.a8Q e1Q 8.Qe8 Kd2 (36.854.533) 452.8
 15.03	 1:28 	+0.72 	1...Kc5 2.g4 Kb4 3.h3 h6 4.Kg3 Bxg4 5.hxg4 Kc3 6.a7 Kxb2
7.a8Q e3 8.Kxf3 Kc3 (40.368.280) 453.8
 16.01	 2:04 	+0.59 	1...Kc5 2.g4 Kb4 3.h3 Ka5 4.Kg3 e3 5.Kxf3 e2 6.Kxe2 Bxg4+
7.hxg4 Kb4 (57.035.366) 459.5
 16.09	 3:08 	+0.60++ 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kc3 5.Nxc8 d3 6.a7
d2+ 7.Kf1 (87.487.016) 465.0
 16.09	 3:16 	+0.95++ 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kc3 5.Nxc8 d3 6.a7
d2+ 7.Kf1 (91.310.233) 464.9
 16.09	 3:35 	+1.17 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kc3 5.Nd5+ Kb3 6.Nb6 d3
7.Nd5 Kc4 8.Nb6+ Kxb5 9.a7 Bb7 10.Kf2 (100.997.334) 468.6
 17.01	 4:10 	+1.42++ 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kc3 5.Nd5+ Kb3 6.Nb6
e3 7.h3 gxh3 8.Na4 (116.812.226) 466.0
 17.01	 5:09 	+1.92++ 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kc3 5.Nd5+ Kb3 6.Nb6
e3 7.h3 gxh3 8.Na4 h2 9.Nc5+ Kc2 10.a7 h1Q+ (142.445.250) 459.5
 17.01	 5:59 	+2.88 	1...g4 2.Ke1 Kc5 3.Na4+ Kxc4 4.Nb6+ Kc3 5.Nd5+ Kb3 6.a7 Bb7
7.Nf6 Kb4 8.Nxh7 e3 9.Nf6 f2+ 10.Kf1 Kxb5 (163.969.161) 456.7
best move: g5-g4 time: 7:00.281 min  n/s: 451.886  CPU 195.6%  nodes:
189.919.298  TB: 315

Regards,
Mogens



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