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Subject: Re: A matter of chess understanding! Tiger has 14.Rb1?! in book!!

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 00:41:32 08/22/01

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On August 21, 2001 at 21:59:45, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 21, 2001 at 18:09:47, Torstein Hall wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2001 at 16:37:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On August 21, 2001 at 16:18:40, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 21, 2001 at 16:00:09, Torstein Hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I just checked the position with Tiger and it has the dull 14.Rb1 in book?
>>>>
>>>>It only proves that if Ba3 is the right move then this position is not easy for
>>>>humans.
>>>>
>>>>I guess that most of the humans who did not analyze the position are going to
>>>>play Rb1.
>>>>
>>>>I did not analyze the position in order to say if Ba3 is right and I am going to
>>>>analyze it in order to get an opinion about it.
>>>>
>>>>The only opinion that I can get at tournament time control is that I am not
>>>>smart enough to know.
>>>>
>>>>I will try to look at the lines that you gave in order to see if black has not
>>>>good alternatives.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>My first impression is that Bb7 is too passive and black has better
>>>alternatives.
>>>
>>>Junior7 gives the options Rb8 or a5 with a small advantage for black.
>>>I can think also of ideas to go with the knight to e7 in order to castle and Bb7
>>>is not in this direction.
>>>
>>>It seems that in order to get a clear opinion about the position hours of
>>>analysis with chess programs are needed and I do not promise to do it.
>>>
>>>I have no clear opinion if the position is better for white,equal or better for
>>>black.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Whatever it is its realy easy to play for white. You have the plan Ne5-c4-d6+. I
>>think Bb7 is a must. Blacks play can be improved with Rd8 after Bb7, but white
>>still has a big positional plus. As long as you can keep blacks king in the
>>center you are actually playing with an extra piece. This is not medium to short
>>range tactics where computers excel, but long range planning. So when analyzing
>>with a computer, keep in mind, they simply do not understand this kind of
>>position!
>
>I do not believe computers do not understand positional advantage
>and I know even about cases of wrong sacrifices of computers because they
>overestimated positional advantage.
>
>Junior7 is known as one of the program with the biggest positional score and it
>does not like Bb7
>
>If black wants to castle then he has a plan Nd5 Ne7 and 0-0
>I think that Nd5 is the move that I am going to play for black and not Bb7.
>
>remember that black can also sacrifice also after Bxa1 Qxa1
>
>For example
>Nd5 Ne5 Ne7 Bf3 0-0 Nxc6 Nxc6 Bxc6 Rb8 Bxf8 Qxf8
>
>I do not say that this line is best for both sides but it demonstrates possible
>ideas for black
>
>If Ba3 is only another way to get equality then it is not objectively better
>than Rb1 moves and I see no reason for computers to prefer it.
>
>I am not sure if black needs to castle in all variants and it may be possible to
>develop the pieces without castling
>
>f6 and Kf7 at the right time is a possible idea.
>
>Uri

I think Ba3 gives white the advantage, perhaps a outright winning advantage, but
I have to admit its hard to prove!

I have looked a bit at 16...Nd5 I feel that 17.Rc1 looks promising for white.
The line 17...Bb7 18.Qb2 (or 18.Rb1!? )Rd8 19.Rb1 and I think black will be
slowly "squeesed".

Torstein



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