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Subject: Re: Talk About Too Quick To Speak!!!

Author: Graham Laight

Date: 09:07:08 08/23/01

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On August 23, 2001 at 12:00:26, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On August 23, 2001 at 10:56:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 23, 2001 at 10:17:01, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 23, 2001 at 09:49:37, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ha ha ha ha ha!
>>>>
>>>>Crafty got a draw against Quest, and is now joint 3rd in the tournament table!
>>>
>>>Darn !! :-))
>>>
>>>Still, it's so close that almost anything can happen. Even though Crafty has a
>>>decent lot in the 9th round. Therefore some congratulations are better left
>>>until after the last round, except to Goliath and Deep Junior of course.
>>>
>>>Mogens.
>>
>>
>>My preference here would be that Crafty _not_ be awarded any "title" based
>>on "amateur" status.  My office is stuffed to the gills with trophies from
>>the 70's 80's and 90's at ACM and WCCC events.  I would _much_ prefer that
>>the "amateur" title be given to someone that fits a reasonable definition of
>>amateur.  I certainly don't believe that I fall in that category.
>>
>>I would hope that Vincent or someone at the event would relay this to the
>>ICCA folks.  I've been competing in computer chess events since 1976.  I
>>think that should disqualify me as an "amateur" immediately.  And no, I don't
>>believe I am a "professional" either.  I am "other" I suppose.  :)
>>
>>But in any case, the "real amateurs" ought to be rewarded for coming to an
>>event like this.  And for the work they have done.  I have about 350 pounds of
>>"rewards" I will have to do something with once I retire from UAB in another
>>15 years or so.  More is definitely not "better" in this case.  :)
>>
>>Bob
>
>Interesting question, what's amateur?
>You are amateur by definition (lover), to do something "for the love of doing
>it". You are not a "beginner" but you are an "amateur". The problem is that
>the word amateur has been misused tremendoulsy in every aspect in every
>discipline. I understand too that there is a difference between a private
>amateur and an academic amateur in this particular area. The "academic" amateur
>will do something non-for-profit but has access to resources (many times payed
>by taxes) that the private amateur do not have. You routinely have access to
>quads, crays and all sort of cool gadgets for testing and development and
>probably the people (the government thru taxes) has paid you to do some research
>on this area before (maybe not now?). I do not have that access and nobody paid
>me to do computer chess. That is a difference that creates an advantage for you.
>That is a fact, should ICCA makes you non-amateur? I do not think so, since you
>are not a professional but...
>
>If there were enough entrants, I think that it would be better to have 3
>categories: Professional, Academic, Amateurs. However, I am sure that there is
>enough entrants to make even more categories. That would be cool though.
>
>Regards,
>Miguel

I'd be happy if there were enough prizes to ensure that every entrant received
at least one.

-g



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