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Subject: Re: Gromitchess bookcheating (for Vincent DIEPEVEEN)

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 11:59:31 08/23/01

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On August 23, 2001 at 14:48:27, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On August 23, 2001 at 14:42:54, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On August 23, 2001 at 14:36:16, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>Use of commercial books is old hat.  You will find that quite a few amateur
>>>programs use the fritz 4 book, and have done so openly for many years.
>>
>>Yes. This is the key issue. They did so openly. While I find
>>it a very weird idea that you can be an amateur and use a
>>professional book, lying about it is much worse.
>>
>>>If it is not spelled out as a rules violation, then it is not wrong to do so.
>>
>>Right and Wrong are not solely determined by written rules.


In a sporting event, right and wrong are determined by written and
unwritten rules. Was this not allowed by any of those?


>>>It probably *should* be specified one way or the other.  I doubt that it has
>>>been or the problem would not arise.
>>
>>I agree 100% here.
>>
>>>At any rate, an entertaining tournament as always.  Shredder has once again
>>>risen to the top, and certainly deserves every accolade.
>>
>>Darn. It almost looks like this thing can't lose :)
>>Why are we holding tournaments still :))
>>
>>>And Gromit has obviously made enormous strides.
>>
>>With a dark shadow over those 'accomplishments'...
>
>From:
>http://213.191.70.91/shope/index.html
>
>We have this:
>"GROMIT
>by Frank Schneider and Kai Skibbe
>
>Gromit is a very slow engine in nodes/second. The authors prefer better
>positional evaluation over higher speed. They are successfull with this concept.
>Gromit doesn´t have to hide behind the fast tacticians. Tactical disadvantages
>are compensated with clean positional play. It allows less possibilities for the
>tacticians to use their strength. Frank Schneider used to develop Gromit on his
>own. With the new version he co-operates with Kai Skibbe. They rewrote the
>engine completely which did a lot of good to it. It's much stronger already.
>kN/s: 30-35, not faster in the endgame. Taktiktest: 90 solved in 10 seconds
>average
>
>DM 19,90 | Euro 10,17"
>
>Which I take to mean it is a professional engine [sold for money] and normally
>uses the Fritz book anyway n'est ce pas?

Got another question here: What the heck is amateur then? What determines that?
the price? the sales volume?

Regards,
miguel





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