Author: Mark Young
Date: 07:34:38 08/24/01
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On August 24, 2001 at 10:12:50, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On August 24, 2001 at 10:04:45, Mark Young wrote: > >>On August 24, 2001 at 09:37:13, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >> >>>On August 24, 2001 at 08:52:51, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:58:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:51:16, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:29:21, Günther Simon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:15:30, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 24, 2001 at 07:06:51, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Here are the results by >>>>>>>>>elostat program >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You can see that shredder is only 3th place micro based on the performance. >>>>>>>>>Shredder is the world Micro champion by definition but Tiger and Rebel had a >>>>>>>>>better performance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1 Deep Junior 7 : 2745 228 281 9 88.9 % 2384 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>2 Quest (DeepFritz) : 2550 266 169 9 66.7 % 2430 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>3 Chess Tiger 14.6 Gambit Tiger : 2499 291 229 9 55.6 % 2461 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>4 Crafty 18.10X : 2467 291 165 9 55.6 % 2428 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>5 Rebel : 2466 291 229 9 55.6 % 2428 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>6 Shredder : 2466 266 249 9 66.7 % 2346 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>7 Goliath : 2421 291 165 9 55.6 % 2382 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>8 Gromit 3.9.5 : 2364 278 201 9 61.1 % 2285 33.3 % >>>>>>>>>9 Ferret : 2359 291 229 9 55.6 % 2320 22.2 >>>>>>>>>%10 Gandalf 5.0 : 2310 291 229 9 55.6 % 2271 22.2 >>>>>>>>>% >>>>>>>>>11 ParSOS : 2256 291 229 9 55.6 % 2217 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>12 Diep : 2227 165 291 9 44.4 % 2265 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>13 IsiChess X : 2166 201 278 9 38.9 % 2245 33.3 % >>>>>>>>>14 Tao : 2165 229 291 9 44.4 % 2203 22.2 % >>>>>>>>>15 Ruy Lopez : 2118 366 266 9 33.3 % 2238 0.0 % >>>>>>>>>16 Pharaon : 2082 169 266 9 33.3 % 2202 44.4 % >>>>>>>>>17 SpiderGirl : 2014 213 255 9 27.8 % 2180 33.3 % >>>>>>>>>18 XiNiX : 1724 400 108 9 5.6 % 2216 >>> >>> >>>LOOK AT THE ERROR MARGINS ! ELOstat is in perfect agreement with everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> 11.1 % >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>congratulation also for the Deep Junior team for winning the event convincingly >>>>>>>>>when the difference from the second place is almost 200 elo and the hardware >>>>>>>>>explain less than 70 elo difference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I can add that I think that it may be a better idea to use elostat to decide >>>>>>>>about the world champion in the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I know that a lot of people are going to disagree but it is my opinion. >>>>>>>>I prefer a complicated method that does more justive and not a simple method. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sorry Uri - but this is really nonsens. >>>>>>>You cant use ELO-Stat on a Swiss Tournament with 9 rounds as >>>>>>>it is described by the author. ELO-Stat is designed to calculate >>>>>>>ratings out of a pool of unknown rated progs with a very very lot >>>>>>>of games. >>>>>>>Therefor if you take a closer look at your table you would see that >>>>>>>the error margin is at least 435!pts (Pharaon) and max 632!! (RuyLopez). >>>>>>>And would you really believe Parallel SOS to be at 2256? :)) >>>>>> >>>>>>The question is not which program is better. >>>>>>competitions of 9 rounds are not supposed to answer this question. >>>>>> >>>>>>The question is which program did better result. >>>>>>The elostat answer this question better than the ranking >>>>>> >>>>>>The rating is also based on average of 2300 if I remember corectly and should >>>>>>not be compared with humans. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>You must be a strong Tigerfan to post this very unlike post, as it >>>>>>>is diametral to all your previous posts about stats?! >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not see contradiction with previous posts of myself. >>>>>> >>>>>>>(Btw hasnt Shredder won against Tiger or am I out of memory?) >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes >>>>>>Shredder won against tiger. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>I can add congratulations for crafty for being the best amatuer. >>>>>I here that Gromit won the title of the best amatuer and it is unfair because >>>>>Crafty was more than 100 elo better >>>>> >>>>>I know that Gromit beated Crafty in the last round but it does not change the >>>>>fact that Crafty was more than 100 elo better based on elostat. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>A nine round Swiss tournament to determine the computer world championship in my >>>>mind makes the title world champion a joke. This is nothing more then another >>>>computer chess tournament. To draw any conclusions from this one tournament and >>>>then declare the winner to be the world champion makes me sick. If the title of >>>>computer world champion means the winner is declared the strongest computer >>>>program. >>> >>>It's just the same with human tournaments. The world champion is determined as >>>the winner of a special tournament. >> >>Not Correct, yes they play tournaments, but never using the Swiss tournament >>system. >> >>> >>>That's an exciting and interesting way to determine the champion and I seriously >>>can't see what's wrong with this. >> >>You don't see a problem with an open tournament with only 9 rounds to declar a >>world champion? No Human Champion has ever been declared this way. > >Yes, every single year the Junior World Champion is declared after >a swiss tournament. In fact, preliminary qualifiers for the FIDE title >are also swiss tournaments. The Panamerican just finished with 140+ strong >players (Yermolinsky won). That is the point, you play qualifiers not 1 open tournament to declar the Human World Champion. So you must play much more then 9 rounds in one *open* Tournament. > >Regards, >Miguel
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