Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 07:34:48 08/24/01
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On August 24, 2001 at 10:23:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >On August 23, 2001 at 15:34:34, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > >>On August 23, 2001 at 15:19:11, Peter Berger wrote: >> >>>In my opinion your post is a very ugly one, Gian-Carlo. >>> >>>You get an _anonymous_ message in your mailbox ! >> >>I know who the author was. I said anonymous here because >>I did not want to reveal the name of the originator. >> >>I know that person well and I trust him to be honest >>in this matter. >> >>>You post it here without translating and post it under the misleading title: >>> >>>Re: Gromitchess bookcheating (for Vincent DIEPEVEEN) >> >>Correct. It was meant for Vincent. Vincent can understand it. >>It was not (necessarily) meant for other people. Thats why >>I didn't translate. >> >>>If you wanted to contact Vincent Diepevenn , why didn't you use email ? >> >>I wanted to reach him ASAP, and this is the best way to do >>it. This issue is important IMHO. >> >>>What has this to do with GROMIT ??? >>> >>>The anonymous claim was about Goliath in Leiden . >> >>Correct. The suspected means of cheating are identical. >>I'm personally also curious if the Goliath team used >>the same 'tactics' in this event. Perhaps Vincent can >>enlighten us about that later. >> >>>We know nothing about the fact if Vincent's protest was right. So why make this >>>up here ? >> >>Did I claim _anywhere_ that Gromit is bookcheating in this >>tournament? The subject is about Vincent's accusation of >>Gromit. >> >>I'm at home now, and not in Maastricht. I have no idea whether >>they are bookcheating or not. However, if there is a claim they >>do I want it investigated and cleared up. >> >>>It's even funnier if you remember yesterday's posts btw where Diep thanked >>>Carlos Pesce for his marvellous opening book _he_ used for his program. >> >>Fritz uses the Kure book too. No problem with that. Big difference >>is that both Fritz and Diep admit it, and that Pesce is an amateur >>who is not paid for his work on Diep's book. >> >>>The real problem is the misuse of the Amateur title IMHO. >> >>Yes! >> >>>Well, obviously not - else Gromit couldn't be told amateur ( neither Diep btw ) >>>. >> >>I agree. Both programs should be marked as professional. >> >>>It is accepted that Alex Kure makes the Chessbase books and Jeroen Noomen the >>>Rebel books regardless of engine. >> >>Yes. That is wellknown and they do not try to hide it. >> >>>They simply should call everyone that sells his program professional IMHO. >> >>Yes. >> >>>When it is about Gromit : why is there a shadow over their success ? There only >>>was a claim by Vincent that he can't imagine them having such a good book >>>without cheating - come on ! And an anonymous email about Goliath that you >>>posted - thank you very much . >> >>We will see what comes of the Gromit case. Not much I guess, but >>it still warrants investigation. As for Goliath, I really wonder >>what they did in this tournament. If they _lied_ about their books >>again, then, IMHO, their blitz title has no moral value. >> >>-- >>GCP > >Let me try to give me my view on opening books that aren't written by chess >programmers themselves. > >Problem description: An opening book adds xx elo points to a chess engine. >An opening book can be written by the chess programmer or not. > >IMO the the ICCA should demand not only the name of the author of the chess >engine but also the author of the opening book. Author of the chess engine >and the opening book should be tied into one team as the opening book is an >essential part of program good for xx elo points. > >Such a rule could end any form of book incest and avoid discussions like this. > >Ed That is a very good idea and makes sense; however, there will be a problem with tablebases then... Nalimov will be co-author in almost all programs (except Ferret and maybe some others). Regards, Miguel
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